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> "Having never used CarPlay, I don't understand why it's a deal breaker." Deals are context dependent. This should read "a deal breaker for <someone>". Clearl

by grzm 7y ago

> "Having never used CarPlay, I don't understand why it's a deal breaker." Deals are context dependent. This should read "a deal breaker for <someone>". Clearly it's not a deal breaker for you, which is fine. Could very well be a deal breaker for someone else.

cptskippy 7y ago
I believe that's implied. I was looking for clarification on what makes CarPlay a deal breaker since it is a comment that comes up often.
- grzm 7y ago
  Having the same apps on your phone available on the media display in the car is quite compelling. For someone in the Apple ecosystem, that means CarPlay. Would you ever seriously consider an Apple iPhone? Given comments you've made regarding iOS and Apple in the past, I suspect not, which makes the whole point moot in your context. Different people value things differently. That's okay, and you don't need to agree with their value judgements. Refusing to see that other's value judgements are okay for them—while not necessarily the same as yours—is important.
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues) because of an opinion you've formed of me based on my comment history? That's something... I haven't even looked at yours. Do you always formulate a plan of attack when someone questions you about things? > Would you ever seriously consider an Apple iPhone? Given comments you've made regarding iOS and Apple in the past, I suspect not, which makes the whole point moot in your context. Every time I upgrade my phone. Being critical of something doesn't mean you dislike or dismiss it. > Different people value things differently. That's okay, and you don't need to agree with their value judgements. Refusing to see that other's value judgements are okay for them—while not necessarily the same as yours—is important. I don't disagree with you. In my comment I said I had never used CarPlay AND asked why people valued it. I then compared it (indirectly) to Android Auto, and then said that I didn't find Android Auto a compelling enough reason to influence my car buying decision. Again, I asked what is so compelling about CarPlay that it's a dealbreaker given all the other factors that go into purchasing a car. Thus far your arguments for CarPlay have been to attack my character and frame me as an Apple hater.
    - grzm 7y ago
      > ” So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues)” No. That’s why I opened with what for me would be the most compelling reason for CarPlay to be a deal breaker: integration with apps already on my device. > ”because of an opinion you've formed of me based on my comment history” You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful and I’m careful not to use them. You’re right, you can be critical of something without disliking or hating it.
      - cptskippy 7y ago
        > You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Not to slight you personally, I just don't pay attention to usernames in online discussion forums for the most part so that contextualization and framing is lost on me. It's rare that I take not of a username or think "oh it's that guy". > Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful. I would disagree. While they might be inaccurate labels, however they succinctly communicate the perception of the person using the label. Saying "you think I'm an Apple hater" conveys the same sentiment as "I get the impression that, after you having looked through my comment history, you think that I am irrationally prejudiced against Apple Products".
        grzm 7y ago
        “Irrational” is not what I intended by “seriously consider Apple or IOS”: my intent was that after having considered the trade offs and what Apple is likely to do in the future, Apple and iOS are not something you would seriously consider as a contender. Apologies for any part I may have played in that misunderstanding.
        cptskippy 7y ago
        Considering we have had discussions about Apple products in the past and you've browsed by comment history, then you'd know that my job requires me to use Apple products and of the 3 machines issued to me, 2 are Apple. You could also probably infer that most of my family uses Apple products and that I am tech support for them. For you to assert that I would never seriously consider Apple products implies one of two things. Either I am making an informed decision based on my extensive knowledge of them and the company, or it's an irrational decision based on my feelings. Why do I need to justify myself to this extent and still not have an answer to my original question about why CarPlay is such a dealbreaker? To elaborate my original question further... I realize the overwhelming majority of car infotainment systems are hot steaming garbage. I would even be willing to say all of them are, with the exception of Tesla's. With that in mind, why is CarPlay a deal breaker for some consider a Tesla. To me, CarPlay being a deal breaker means either there's a problem Tesla's system or CarPlay has value beyond what Tesla is doing. So which is it and why? Thus far the best answer I have gotten is "you would never seriously consider an Apple product".
- judge2020 7y ago
  The carplay experience is basically the general UX of an iPhone on your car display, which will be better than almost every car manufacturer's UX. That plus being able to have an up-to-date UI for Google Maps with Google's traffic visualization and navigation. The difference I see with Tesla is that many owners will say that the Tesla UX makes carplay redundant, outside of the iPhone's lockdown on sending/receiving texts and whatnot (although maybe they have an entitlement to use it, certain uses like Google Glass/Focals by North/Cars seem like something Apple would give text message permission to).
  - cptskippy 7y ago
    I've never used CarPlay but that's the general impression I have of it. Having used Android Auto, it's definitely a huge step up from a regular car infotainment system but not really from Tesla's UI/UX. Android Auto is also not a deal breaker for me in purchasing a car, not even close, so I'm generally curious why people view it or CarPlay as dealbreakers.

by grzm 7y ago

cptskippy 7y ago

I believe that's implied. I was looking for clarification on what makes CarPlay a deal breaker since it is a comment that comes up often.

grzm 7y ago
Having the same apps on your phone available on the media display in the car is quite compelling. For someone in the Apple ecosystem, that means CarPlay. Would you ever seriously consider an Apple iPhone? Given comments you've made regarding iOS and Apple in the past, I suspect not, which makes the whole point moot in your context. Different people value things differently. That's okay, and you don't need to agree with their value judgements. Refusing to see that other's value judgements are okay for them—while not necessarily the same as yours—is important.
- cptskippy 7y ago
  So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues) because of an opinion you've formed of me based on my comment history? That's something... I haven't even looked at yours. Do you always formulate a plan of attack when someone questions you about things? > Would you ever seriously consider an Apple iPhone? Given comments you've made regarding iOS and Apple in the past, I suspect not, which makes the whole point moot in your context. Every time I upgrade my phone. Being critical of something doesn't mean you dislike or dismiss it. > Different people value things differently. That's okay, and you don't need to agree with their value judgements. Refusing to see that other's value judgements are okay for them—while not necessarily the same as yours—is important. I don't disagree with you. In my comment I said I had never used CarPlay AND asked why people valued it. I then compared it (indirectly) to Android Auto, and then said that I didn't find Android Auto a compelling enough reason to influence my car buying decision. Again, I asked what is so compelling about CarPlay that it's a dealbreaker given all the other factors that go into purchasing a car. Thus far your arguments for CarPlay have been to attack my character and frame me as an Apple hater.
  - grzm 7y ago
    > ” So you're dismissing my questions about CarPlay (not even it's virtues)” No. That’s why I opened with what for me would be the most compelling reason for CarPlay to be a deal breaker: integration with apps already on my device. > ”because of an opinion you've formed of me based on my comment history” You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful and I’m careful not to use them. You’re right, you can be critical of something without disliking or hating it.
    - cptskippy 7y ago
      > You and I have discussed Apple and iOS before, more than once. It seems I just happen to recall them better. Not to slight you personally, I just don't pay attention to usernames in online discussion forums for the most part so that contextualization and framing is lost on me. It's rare that I take not of a username or think "oh it's that guy". > Phrases like “hater” (and it’s opposite pejorative, “fanboy”) are unhelpful. I would disagree. While they might be inaccurate labels, however they succinctly communicate the perception of the person using the label. Saying "you think I'm an Apple hater" conveys the same sentiment as "I get the impression that, after you having looked through my comment history, you think that I am irrationally prejudiced against Apple Products".
      - grzm 7y ago
        “Irrational” is not what I intended by “seriously consider Apple or IOS”: my intent was that after having considered the trade offs and what Apple is likely to do in the future, Apple and iOS are not something you would seriously consider as a contender. Apologies for any part I may have played in that misunderstanding.
        cptskippy 7y ago
        Considering we have had discussions about Apple products in the past and you've browsed by comment history, then you'd know that my job requires me to use Apple products and of the 3 machines issued to me, 2 are Apple. You could also probably infer that most of my family uses Apple products and that I am tech support for them. For you to assert that I would never seriously consider Apple products implies one of two things. Either I am making an informed decision based on my extensive knowledge of them and the company, or it's an irrational decision based on my feelings. Why do I need to justify myself to this extent and still not have an answer to my original question about why CarPlay is such a dealbreaker? To elaborate my original question further... I realize the overwhelming majority of car infotainment systems are hot steaming garbage. I would even be willing to say all of them are, with the exception of Tesla's. With that in mind, why is CarPlay a deal breaker for some consider a Tesla. To me, CarPlay being a deal breaker means either there's a problem Tesla's system or CarPlay has value beyond what Tesla is doing. So which is it and why? Thus far the best answer I have gotten is "you would never seriously consider an Apple product".
judge2020 7y ago
The carplay experience is basically the general UX of an iPhone on your car display, which will be better than almost every car manufacturer's UX. That plus being able to have an up-to-date UI for Google Maps with Google's traffic visualization and navigation. The difference I see with Tesla is that many owners will say that the Tesla UX makes carplay redundant, outside of the iPhone's lockdown on sending/receiving texts and whatnot (although maybe they have an entitlement to use it, certain uses like Google Glass/Focals by North/Cars seem like something Apple would give text message permission to).
- cptskippy 7y ago
  I've never used CarPlay but that's the general impression I have of it. Having used Android Auto, it's definitely a huge step up from a regular car infotainment system but not really from Tesla's UI/UX. Android Auto is also not a deal breaker for me in purchasing a car, not even close, so I'm generally curious why people view it or CarPlay as dealbreakers.