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- Because the original premise hasn't controlled for family, we can only work with the data we have - Because other students in the same country succeed - Bec

by lagadu 7y ago

- Because the original premise hasn't controlled for family, we can only work with the data we have - Because other students in the same country succeed - Because other students in the same educational system succeed That argument only works if you manage to isolate the conditions to almost perfectly match a group, mine was "this teacher, teaching this subject" and the data fits. Regardless, crying "my students use phones and all of them are failing" when there are students with other teachers that use phones as well and don't fail makes blaming phones an illogical conclusion.

chinesempire 7y ago
> - Because the original premise hasn't controlled for family, we can only work with the data we have I don't think data says what you imply though > Because other students in the same country succeed [citation needed] The teacher in the article poses an ipothesys - he has the suspect the phones might be partially involved in the problem So he puts the hipotesys to test - he asks his students what went wrong - they answered, according to the article quotes “We don’t understand what the books say, sir. We don’t understand the words.” - he asks them to not use their phones for 9 days, offering an extra credit as a reward after the test he collected results. Among the other, I'll quote the first one > “Writing a paper and not having a phone boosted productivity at least twice as much,” Elliott claimed. “You are concentrated on one task and not worrying about anything else. Studying for a test was much easier as well because I was not distracted by the phone at all.” It looks to me that they were actually having a problem which is not their professor. > Because other students in the same educational system succeed Are they? Across the Board, Scores Drop in Math and Reading for U.S. Students https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-10-30/across-the-board-scores-drop-in-math-and-reading-for-us-students https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-10-... > Regardless, crying "my students use phones and all of them are failing" That's not what he did, what you are doing is manipulative, it's a well know bias called "false premise" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise

by lagadu 7y ago

chinesempire 7y ago

> - Because the original premise hasn't controlled for family, we can only work with the data we have I don't think data says what you imply though > Because other students in the same country succeed [citation needed] The teacher in the article poses an ipothesys - he has the suspect the phones might be partially involved in the problem So he puts the hipotesys to test - he asks his students what went wrong - they answered, according to the article quotes “We don’t understand what the books say, sir. We don’t understand the words.” - he asks them to not use their phones for 9 days, offering an extra credit as a reward after the test he collected results. Among the other, I'll quote the first one > “Writing a paper and not having a phone boosted productivity at least twice as much,” Elliott claimed. “You are concentrated on one task and not worrying about anything else. Studying for a test was much easier as well because I was not distracted by the phone at all.” It looks to me that they were actually having a problem which is not their professor. > Because other students in the same educational system succeed Are they? Across the Board, Scores Drop in Math and Reading for U.S. Students https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-10-30/across-the-board-scores-drop-in-math-and-reading-for-us-students https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2019-10-... > Regardless, crying "my students use phones and all of them are failing" That's not what he did, what you are doing is manipulative, it's a well know bias called "false premise" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise