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Apple agreed to acquire NeXT and its technology in order to bring back Jobs, when Apple was on the cusp of bankruptcy, was absolutely certain to die, and had no

Apple agreed to acquire NeXT and its technology in order to bring back Jobs, when Apple was on the cusp of bankruptcy, was absolutely certain to die, and had no negotiating power. It wasn't a merger. Also modern Apple devices are based on the NeXT's operating system and have nothing other than cosmetic and emulative compatibility with MacOS. OSX/macOS is NeXTStep on top of Mach. source: bought $100,000 of APPL in 1997.

bananocurrency 7y ago
>It wasn't a merger. it really sounds like a merge based on two companies becoming one. Not having negotiating power or control doesn't make it not a merger.
wlesieutre 7y ago
Even if you credit all of their software to NeXT, Jony Ive was at Apple pre-NeXT-acquisition and it’s hard to imagine their turnaround going as well as it did without his work on the iMac.
- droithomme 7y ago
  Ive's absolute shit, his design aesthetic is imbecilic and he did nothing but damage the incredible advantages of Mach and NeXTStep. He was more of an inimical influence on Apple than Sculley. His followers are crazed and or ignorant cultists with zero design taste or sensibility.
  - wlesieutre 7y ago
    You’re welcome to that opinion, but the iMac took off years before OS X was an operating system anyone would want to use.
    - droithomme 7y ago
      The iMac as introduced didn't run OSX and wasn't related to its introduction. It appears you believe that Mac OS 8 was the OS of the future. You're welcome to that opinion.
      - wlesieutre 7y ago
        No, what I’m saying is without the iMac the company would have sunk before OS X could do anything to save it
  - seem_2211 7y ago
    Yes, Ive was absolute shit, which is why Steve Jobs (widely known as a cuddly man who never had a sharp word to say), said "If I had a spiritual partner at Apple, it's Jony. Jony and I think up most of the products together and then pull others in and say, 'Hey, what do you think about this?' He gets the picture as well as the most infinitesimal details about each product. And he understands that Apple is a product company. He's not just a designer. That's why he works directly for me. He has more operational power than anyone else at Apple except me." But sure. I prefer the clunky beige form that ruled the world before Apple started making big design waves in computers.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >His followers are crazed and or ignorant cultists with zero design taste or sensibility. Is that he has been awarded dozens of prestigious design awards and accolades from famous industrial designers? Because all these have also "zero design taste"? How about you overblow some of his wrong choices and obsessions (especially around 2015-2018), and ignore more than a decade of wonderful products, widely successful, praised for their design (looks and function), and well received? Here's an Ive fanboy: I’m have to admit being a bit baffled by how nobody else seems to have done what Apple did with the Macbook Air – even several years after the first release, the other notebook vendors continue to push those ugly and clunky things. Yes, there are vendors that have tried to emulate it, but usually pretty badly. I don’t think I’m unusual in preferring my laptop to be thin and light. Btw, even when it comes to Apple, it’s really just the Air that I think is special. The other apple laptops may be good-looking, but they are still the same old clunky hardware, just in a pretty dress. I’m personally just hoping that I’m ahead of the curve in my strict requirement for “small and silent”. It’s not just laptops, btw – Intel sometimes gives me pre-release hardware, and the people inside Intel I work with have learnt that being whisper-quiet is one of my primary requirements for desktops too. I am sometimes surprised at what leaf-blowers some people seem to put up with under their desks. https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvald...
coldtea 7y ago
>Apple agreed to acquire NeXT and its technology in order to bring back Jobs Not really to "bring back Jobs". Jobs was not considered any kind of wonder CEO or miracle worker at the time. They wanted a new OS, as their own traditional Mac OS successor attempt had failed. They also looked and negotiated with Be (for BeOS), so it wasn't that they wanted Jobs particularly. It would just be a nice "back to roots" publicity side benefit, but nobody considered Jobs especially their potential saviour at the time...

bananocurrency 7y ago

>It wasn't a merger. it really sounds like a merge based on two companies becoming one. Not having negotiating power or control doesn't make it not a merger.

wlesieutre 7y ago

Even if you credit all of their software to NeXT, Jony Ive was at Apple pre-NeXT-acquisition and it’s hard to imagine their turnaround going as well as it did without his work on the iMac.

droithomme 7y ago
Ive's absolute shit, his design aesthetic is imbecilic and he did nothing but damage the incredible advantages of Mach and NeXTStep. He was more of an inimical influence on Apple than Sculley. His followers are crazed and or ignorant cultists with zero design taste or sensibility.
- wlesieutre 7y ago
  You’re welcome to that opinion, but the iMac took off years before OS X was an operating system anyone would want to use.
  - droithomme 7y ago
    The iMac as introduced didn't run OSX and wasn't related to its introduction. It appears you believe that Mac OS 8 was the OS of the future. You're welcome to that opinion.
    - wlesieutre 7y ago
      No, what I’m saying is without the iMac the company would have sunk before OS X could do anything to save it
- seem_2211 7y ago
  Yes, Ive was absolute shit, which is why Steve Jobs (widely known as a cuddly man who never had a sharp word to say), said "If I had a spiritual partner at Apple, it's Jony. Jony and I think up most of the products together and then pull others in and say, 'Hey, what do you think about this?' He gets the picture as well as the most infinitesimal details about each product. And he understands that Apple is a product company. He's not just a designer. That's why he works directly for me. He has more operational power than anyone else at Apple except me." But sure. I prefer the clunky beige form that ruled the world before Apple started making big design waves in computers.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >His followers are crazed and or ignorant cultists with zero design taste or sensibility. Is that he has been awarded dozens of prestigious design awards and accolades from famous industrial designers? Because all these have also "zero design taste"? How about you overblow some of his wrong choices and obsessions (especially around 2015-2018), and ignore more than a decade of wonderful products, widely successful, praised for their design (looks and function), and well received? Here's an Ive fanboy: I’m have to admit being a bit baffled by how nobody else seems to have done what Apple did with the Macbook Air – even several years after the first release, the other notebook vendors continue to push those ugly and clunky things. Yes, there are vendors that have tried to emulate it, but usually pretty badly. I don’t think I’m unusual in preferring my laptop to be thin and light. Btw, even when it comes to Apple, it’s really just the Air that I think is special. The other apple laptops may be good-looking, but they are still the same old clunky hardware, just in a pretty dress. I’m personally just hoping that I’m ahead of the curve in my strict requirement for “small and silent”. It’s not just laptops, btw – Intel sometimes gives me pre-release hardware, and the people inside Intel I work with have learnt that being whisper-quiet is one of my primary requirements for desktops too. I am sometimes surprised at what leaf-blowers some people seem to put up with under their desks. https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvalds-i-love-my-macbook-air/ https://www.cultofmac.com/162823/linux-creator-linus-torvald...

coldtea 7y ago

>Apple agreed to acquire NeXT and its technology in order to bring back Jobs Not really to "bring back Jobs". Jobs was not considered any kind of wonder CEO or miracle worker at the time. They wanted a new OS, as their own traditional Mac OS successor attempt had failed. They also looked and negotiated with Be (for BeOS), so it wasn't that they wanted Jobs particularly. It would just be a nice "back to roots" publicity side benefit, but nobody considered Jobs especially their potential saviour at the time...