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As I remember pre the redesign of the Digg front page, it was controlled by "Diggers" who were being paid by blogs and brands for the traffic (Digg.com could de

As I remember pre the redesign of the Digg front page, it was controlled by "Diggers" who were being paid by blogs and brands for the traffic (Digg.com could deliver 100k>1m+ visitors a post with the right content angles). The redesign was to take back control of the homepage results and be able to charge brands for the exposure. Once the users realised they had little sway in getting a post to the front page they left.

zyang 7y ago
I remember the days when mr babyman and friends controlled the digg front page and all the drama that followed. It was a perfect example of an over aggressive parasite killing the host. Reddit solved it by creating sub-reddits. HN solved it with clear rules and diligent mod work.
- CoughlinJ 7y ago
  Reddit solved nothing. As far as I know there's little-to-no transparency in each subreddits moderation or content approval process. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is a glaring issue with that platform.
  - eps 7y ago
    You don't like a sub, you don't sub to the sub. The frontpage you see is the one that you compose yourself, that's the thing what makes reddit work.
    - Traster 7y ago
      This isn't true for a number of reasons. Firstly, the existence of a sub-reddit on a topic makes it almost impossible for a different sub-reddit for the same subject to gain traction. So, sure you can disagree with how /r/politics or /r/motorcycles moderates their subs, but the result is you don't get to read about motorcycles or US politics on reddit. The barrier to creating an alternative is almost infinitely high. I'm struggling to think of any sub-reddits that have been replaced by alternatives on the same subject. So you end up with a tiny number of redditors who are the moderators for the largest sub-reddits. There is practically no turn over in these people, they have functionally complete autonomy over the vast majority of the traffic on the site, and they quite literally can choose to ban individual websites. What makes you think that companies were paying for digg power users to be friendly but the exact same class of users at reddit aren't getting the same treatment? And in reality, what the majority of people see on the frontpage is the frontpage filled with the default sub-reddits. Which, again, are entirely at the discretion of handful of moderators who have 0 accountability.
      - sangnoir 7y ago
        > And in reality, what the majority of people see on the frontpage is the frontpage filled with the default sub-reddits. This is a fair point. I'd argue that there is one single frontpage for reddit; each signed-in user has their own and this raises the cost of astroturfing with the same reach (%) as the universal Digg frontpage. Mods get their own fiefdoms in subreddits, but they don't wield the kind of power mr babyman had over the overall frontpage. This balkanization means disgruntled users are likely to leave subreddits, but stay on reddit itself, or if sufficiently motivated, create a competing subreddit (see the countless /r/X vs /r/true-X for any given X)
elfexec 7y ago
> Once the users realised they had little sway in getting a post to the front page they left. The only reason they left was because there was an alternative - reddit. If reddit wasn't around, digg would have a captive audience and they would be as big as reddit today. Reddit now has the same problem with power users + corporate/news/think tank/political party affiliated subreddit mods with heavy censorship. Fortunately for reddit, there really is no alternative. Also the same thing with youtube. People complain about censorship and mainstream corporate nonsense being peddled on reddit, youtube, etc, but they have nowhere to go. If digg had waited a few years til reddit folded or they had a secure monopolistic position, they would be relevant today. Digg made the same mistake myspace did, piss off their users with a viable competitor around. And once the migration started, it was over.

zyang 7y ago

I remember the days when mr babyman and friends controlled the digg front page and all the drama that followed. It was a perfect example of an over aggressive parasite killing the host. Reddit solved it by creating sub-reddits. HN solved it with clear rules and diligent mod work.

CoughlinJ 7y ago
Reddit solved nothing. As far as I know there's little-to-no transparency in each subreddits moderation or content approval process. In fact, I would go so far as to say that it is a glaring issue with that platform.
- eps 7y ago
  You don't like a sub, you don't sub to the sub. The frontpage you see is the one that you compose yourself, that's the thing what makes reddit work.
  - Traster 7y ago
    This isn't true for a number of reasons. Firstly, the existence of a sub-reddit on a topic makes it almost impossible for a different sub-reddit for the same subject to gain traction. So, sure you can disagree with how /r/politics or /r/motorcycles moderates their subs, but the result is you don't get to read about motorcycles or US politics on reddit. The barrier to creating an alternative is almost infinitely high. I'm struggling to think of any sub-reddits that have been replaced by alternatives on the same subject. So you end up with a tiny number of redditors who are the moderators for the largest sub-reddits. There is practically no turn over in these people, they have functionally complete autonomy over the vast majority of the traffic on the site, and they quite literally can choose to ban individual websites. What makes you think that companies were paying for digg power users to be friendly but the exact same class of users at reddit aren't getting the same treatment? And in reality, what the majority of people see on the frontpage is the frontpage filled with the default sub-reddits. Which, again, are entirely at the discretion of handful of moderators who have 0 accountability.
    - sangnoir 7y ago
      > And in reality, what the majority of people see on the frontpage is the frontpage filled with the default sub-reddits. This is a fair point. I'd argue that there is one single frontpage for reddit; each signed-in user has their own and this raises the cost of astroturfing with the same reach (%) as the universal Digg frontpage. Mods get their own fiefdoms in subreddits, but they don't wield the kind of power mr babyman had over the overall frontpage. This balkanization means disgruntled users are likely to leave subreddits, but stay on reddit itself, or if sufficiently motivated, create a competing subreddit (see the countless /r/X vs /r/true-X for any given X)

elfexec 7y ago

> Once the users realised they had little sway in getting a post to the front page they left. The only reason they left was because there was an alternative - reddit. If reddit wasn't around, digg would have a captive audience and they would be as big as reddit today. Reddit now has the same problem with power users + corporate/news/think tank/political party affiliated subreddit mods with heavy censorship. Fortunately for reddit, there really is no alternative. Also the same thing with youtube. People complain about censorship and mainstream corporate nonsense being peddled on reddit, youtube, etc, but they have nowhere to go. If digg had waited a few years til reddit folded or they had a secure monopolistic position, they would be relevant today. Digg made the same mistake myspace did, piss off their users with a viable competitor around. And once the migration started, it was over.