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> and is likely literally just throwing IPSW files Actually they go a bit beyond that. From the apple filing: >The Corellium Apple Product makes modifications

by FDSGSG 7y ago

> and is likely literally just throwing IPSW files Actually they go a bit beyond that. From the apple filing: >The Corellium Apple Product makes modifications to iOS that allows it to be installed on, and run from, Corellium-developed or Corellium-operated hardware. Such modifications include disabling loadable firmware validation, disabling self-verification of the FIPS module, adding Corellium software to the “trust cache,” and instructing the restore tool not to contact Apple servers for kernel / device tree / firmware signing. This doesn't seem too different from a cloud hosting provider selling VMs running cracked copies of Windows.

lostgame 7y ago
>> This doesn't seem too different from a cloud hosting provider selling VMs running cracked copies of Windows. Alright, so I’m not going crazy, then. I added an edit to my first post making the comparison to a company selling preconfigured hackintoshes. It’s literal theft and resale in a different package. That they had the balls to even do this, especially to the extent you are talking about, is shocking.
- kelnos 7y ago
  > It’s literal theft No, it's copyright infringement. Apple has not "lost" a copy of iOS every time someone spins up a Corellium VM.
Marsymars 7y ago
Corellium could, hypothetically, mandate that every user has a number of legitimate iOS licenses equal to their number of VM instances. (e.g. by making the user mail in a functional iOS device for each VM instance they want) They'd still be running afoul of the licensing terms and DMCA, but it would feel less egregiously like "stealing".
- vineyardmike 7y ago
  MacOS (and presumably iOS ?) avoid "legal hackintosh" by adding to the EULA that you can only receive a license to run macOS on mac hardware, not just by owning a mac hardware separately.
saagarjha 7y ago
The filing makes it sound like this is for piracy, but these actually make it easier for Corellium’s users to do what they’re using it for: security research and device testing. Those features make it difficult to modify and introspect the OS.

by FDSGSG 7y ago

lostgame 7y ago

>> This doesn't seem too different from a cloud hosting provider selling VMs running cracked copies of Windows. Alright, so I’m not going crazy, then. I added an edit to my first post making the comparison to a company selling preconfigured hackintoshes. It’s literal theft and resale in a different package. That they had the balls to even do this, especially to the extent you are talking about, is shocking.

kelnos 7y ago
> It’s literal theft No, it's copyright infringement. Apple has not "lost" a copy of iOS every time someone spins up a Corellium VM.

Marsymars 7y ago

Corellium could, hypothetically, mandate that every user has a number of legitimate iOS licenses equal to their number of VM instances. (e.g. by making the user mail in a functional iOS device for each VM instance they want) They'd still be running afoul of the licensing terms and DMCA, but it would feel less egregiously like "stealing".

vineyardmike 7y ago
MacOS (and presumably iOS ?) avoid "legal hackintosh" by adding to the EULA that you can only receive a license to run macOS on mac hardware, not just by owning a mac hardware separately.

saagarjha 7y ago

The filing makes it sound like this is for piracy, but these actually make it easier for Corellium’s users to do what they’re using it for: security research and device testing. Those features make it difficult to modify and introspect the OS.