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"Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control" https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en

"Temporary Reintroduction of Border Control" https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/borders-and-visas/schengen/reintroduction-border-control_en https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border...

1996 7y ago
Thanks, this confirms what I experienced. And the bad news is Germany is also affected now :-/ I remember reading in school that freedom of movement of goods and people was one of your founding principle, so I was very surprised. Temporary? lol! that's what was said here for the patriot act too. Looks like the EU is scraping Schengen. I think this cast a cloud of uncertainty on EU future. List from the page you linked of countries with "temporary" controls that don't seem temporary at all to me: Norway (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, secondary movements; ports with ferry connections with Denmark, Germany and Sweden; Sweden (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, shortcomings at the external borders; to be determined but may concern all internal borders; Denmark (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, organized criminality from Sweden; land border with Germany and with Sweden, ferry connections to Germany and to Sweden; Germany (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Secondary movements, situation at the external borders; land border with Austria; Austria (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Secondary movements, risk related to terrorists and organized crime, situation at the external borders; land borders with Hungary and with Slovenia; France (31 October 2019 - 30 April 2020) Persistent terrorist threat, upcoming high profile political event in Paris, secondary movements; all internal borders.
- raverbashing 7y ago
  > I remember reading in school that freedom of movement of goods and people was one of your founding principle Freedom of movement != not showing documentation. (And it doesn't need to be a passport) The simplest example is getting into any country you're a citizen of from abroad. Some Schengen airports have security->passport (example AMS), some others have passport->security (example CDG T2), it's a non-issue. Pretty much every country checks passports when you're leaving. The US doesn't as I pointed out in another comment, so they can charge you for a transit visa. (Some other countries allow sterile transit and don't check passports on exit - UK comes to mind - but you need a passport to travel to pretty much anywhere else from there) > "temporary" controls that don't seem temporary at all They have an end date. That's pretty much the definition of temporary. And yes there were previous temporary checks that have come and gone. (If temporary checks weren't possible I guarantee how we would be reading about how the EU was undemocratic for not allowing member states to control their borders yada yada yada, the usual cynicism and uninformed rants that are so common here)
  - p49k 7y ago
    To be fair, some of these borders are de facto permanently closed and the listed end dates listed are bullshit. Some have been maintained for nearly 5 years, with a new “temporary” 6-month closure being announced immediately after the last one ends. These countries are pretty blatantly violating Schengen but no one is going to enforce anything because that would probably force the dissolution of or withdrawal from the treaty.
    - 1996 7y ago
      This is what I supposed with the dates suspiciously in perfect synchronization, from the 12 to the 12 a semester later.
    - raverbashing 7y ago
      Probably the Sweden/Denmark one. I haven't seen stricter controls outside of that date range elsewhere.
      - p49k 7y ago
        The Denmark/Germany land border check has been there for around 5 years and is still operating.
- lm28469 7y ago
  Are you American by any chance? "freedom" isn't doing anything you want whenever you want. You're absolutely free to travel within EU if you can prove your identity and prove that you are legally staying here. Just like you're free to buy a car as long as you can pay for it. An illegal immigrant or a terrorist traveling with an ak47 aren't included in the freedom of movement and goods, of course we have random border checks...

1996 7y ago

Thanks, this confirms what I experienced. And the bad news is Germany is also affected now :-/ I remember reading in school that freedom of movement of goods and people was one of your founding principle, so I was very surprised. Temporary? lol! that's what was said here for the patriot act too. Looks like the EU is scraping Schengen. I think this cast a cloud of uncertainty on EU future. List from the page you linked of countries with "temporary" controls that don't seem temporary at all to me: Norway (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, secondary movements; ports with ferry connections with Denmark, Germany and Sweden; Sweden (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, shortcomings at the external borders; to be determined but may concern all internal borders; Denmark (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Terrorist threats, organized criminality from Sweden; land border with Germany and with Sweden, ferry connections to Germany and to Sweden; Germany (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Secondary movements, situation at the external borders; land border with Austria; Austria (12 November 2019 - 12 May 2020) Secondary movements, risk related to terrorists and organized crime, situation at the external borders; land borders with Hungary and with Slovenia; France (31 October 2019 - 30 April 2020) Persistent terrorist threat, upcoming high profile political event in Paris, secondary movements; all internal borders.

raverbashing 7y ago
> I remember reading in school that freedom of movement of goods and people was one of your founding principle Freedom of movement != not showing documentation. (And it doesn't need to be a passport) The simplest example is getting into any country you're a citizen of from abroad. Some Schengen airports have security->passport (example AMS), some others have passport->security (example CDG T2), it's a non-issue. Pretty much every country checks passports when you're leaving. The US doesn't as I pointed out in another comment, so they can charge you for a transit visa. (Some other countries allow sterile transit and don't check passports on exit - UK comes to mind - but you need a passport to travel to pretty much anywhere else from there) > "temporary" controls that don't seem temporary at all They have an end date. That's pretty much the definition of temporary. And yes there were previous temporary checks that have come and gone. (If temporary checks weren't possible I guarantee how we would be reading about how the EU was undemocratic for not allowing member states to control their borders yada yada yada, the usual cynicism and uninformed rants that are so common here)
- p49k 7y ago
  To be fair, some of these borders are de facto permanently closed and the listed end dates listed are bullshit. Some have been maintained for nearly 5 years, with a new “temporary” 6-month closure being announced immediately after the last one ends. These countries are pretty blatantly violating Schengen but no one is going to enforce anything because that would probably force the dissolution of or withdrawal from the treaty.
  - 1996 7y ago
    This is what I supposed with the dates suspiciously in perfect synchronization, from the 12 to the 12 a semester later.
  - raverbashing 7y ago
    Probably the Sweden/Denmark one. I haven't seen stricter controls outside of that date range elsewhere.
    - p49k 7y ago
      The Denmark/Germany land border check has been there for around 5 years and is still operating.
lm28469 7y ago
Are you American by any chance? "freedom" isn't doing anything you want whenever you want. You're absolutely free to travel within EU if you can prove your identity and prove that you are legally staying here. Just like you're free to buy a car as long as you can pay for it. An illegal immigrant or a terrorist traveling with an ak47 aren't included in the freedom of movement and goods, of course we have random border checks...