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Building monoliths (like Signal) is easy and that's a core take-away point of Matthew's response in the blog post. Building Matrix is not and has not ever been

Building monoliths (like Signal) is easy and that's a core take-away point of Matthew's response in the blog post. Building Matrix is not and has not ever been a small task, but the effort gives us the freedom to run our own services and still be able to talk with our friends. Matrix is the "long game".

prophesi 7y ago
And it's a worthwhile pursuit. Moxie's points simply don't make sense, and are infuriating / disrespectful to those who are working on solving decentralization's issues. _Of course_ it will be difficult. But the same argument could be made for building a completely unencrypted messenger app. You won't have to worry about managing keys, obfuscating metadata, or anything like that. At the end of the day, it's about realizing the importance of both privacy _and_ decentralization that our current infrastructure threatens.
- viro 7y ago
  He's been anti-complexity for awhile. the matrix ecosystem is far more complex than signal.
  - sudosysgen 7y ago
    That complexity is useful and justified.
    - viro 7y ago
      https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#kicking-and-banning-users https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#kicking-and-banni.... FFS that is a lot of text just to kick a nazi out of the cybersecurity chat .. who is the mod for that big ass chat? I have't the faintest clue. No easy way for me to tell.
      - prophesi 7y ago
        For one, it's a lot of text for the myriad of ways you can moderate your server/chat. It's just a paragraph for kicking "a nazi out of the cybersecurity chat." And two, "In Riot, Admins are shown in the membership list with a golden shield, and Moderators are shown with a silver shield. Other clients use similar metaphors." If you actually used Matrix, you'd notice in whatever client that you're using that it's actually very easy to see who the mods are.
  - chithanh 7y ago
    > He's been anti-complexity for awhile. And then he turns around and releases Signal-Desktop based on Electron?!

prophesi 7y ago

And it's a worthwhile pursuit. Moxie's points simply don't make sense, and are infuriating / disrespectful to those who are working on solving decentralization's issues. _Of course_ it will be difficult. But the same argument could be made for building a completely unencrypted messenger app. You won't have to worry about managing keys, obfuscating metadata, or anything like that. At the end of the day, it's about realizing the importance of both privacy _and_ decentralization that our current infrastructure threatens.

viro 7y ago
He's been anti-complexity for awhile. the matrix ecosystem is far more complex than signal.
- sudosysgen 7y ago
  That complexity is useful and justified.
  - viro 7y ago
    https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#kicking-and-banning-users https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation/#kicking-and-banni.... FFS that is a lot of text just to kick a nazi out of the cybersecurity chat .. who is the mod for that big ass chat? I have't the faintest clue. No easy way for me to tell.
    - prophesi 7y ago
      For one, it's a lot of text for the myriad of ways you can moderate your server/chat. It's just a paragraph for kicking "a nazi out of the cybersecurity chat." And two, "In Riot, Admins are shown in the membership list with a golden shield, and Moderators are shown with a silver shield. Other clients use similar metaphors." If you actually used Matrix, you'd notice in whatever client that you're using that it's actually very easy to see who the mods are.
- chithanh 7y ago
  > He's been anti-complexity for awhile. And then he turns around and releases Signal-Desktop based on Electron?!