> But are we seriously going to pretend that projects built with react are in a few hundred kb range? The author said frameworks == bloat. But the above sugges

> But are we seriously going to pretend that projects built with react are in a few hundred kb range? The author said frameworks == bloat. But the above suggests frameworks != bloat. So I don't know what point you're still trying to make. > A lot of people are designing their products to show off to their peers Again, I'm not sure how using new frameworks is "showing off for your peers". > or for google (SEO) Client-side rendering only makes SEO harder. Again, I'm not sure what argument you're trying to make. Present clear reasoning and evidence instead of vague, preconceived assumptions.