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There's the basic fact that almost no hard data of any kind exists to back up your apocalyptic claim. If anything, by all major metrics, human well-being is dra

There's the basic fact that almost no hard data of any kind exists to back up your apocalyptic claim. If anything, by all major metrics, human well-being is dramatically improving, not just in the north but also in these supposedly infernal tropics. And data indicates that this will in most ways continue, in terms of reductions in the population explosion, better access to technology, better health and welfare and even better environmental practices becoming more common in the developing world, just as they did in the developed world over previous decades. You remind me of people like Paul Ehrlich back in the 70's. Predicting doom and disaster because it was fashionable, extrapolating without good supporting evidence or consideration for human development and innovation, then later just shrugging off their nonsense when it proves to have been totally, absurdly wrong. The climate change crisis is a serious problem for our species and societies, but it too has possible solutions that are already in development. It's not simply a pre-ordained act of god.

ncmncm 7y ago
We can leave God and scurrilous accusations out of this. I didn't make up "supposedly infernal" tropics. They are right there in the (always over-conservative) IPCC report. I also did not make up Fascist leanings in response to migration -- we already see it happening, and increasing, while the migration rate is a tiny fraction of what will be. There is no expectation of reduced population growth in Africa, or increased wealth, in the coming decade. If you have any suggestions that might help prevent further development of the scenario, I am all ears, but Pollyanna proclamations are the opposite.
LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago
That is a belief, an opinion of yours. Another opinionon could be that the development and innovation you are speaking of was in the ever more clever externalizing of environmental cost to 'somewhere else' like in a giant pyramid scheme, and thereby oversaturing several interconnected systems up to their tipping points. Where the 70ies doomsayers were wrong was the lack of anticipating those pyramid schemes, and their superficial covering up of bad things 'gonna happen. Welcome to the Idiocracy, maybe in the Wall-E fanedit.
- LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago
  errr ... oversaturATing

ncmncm 7y ago

We can leave God and scurrilous accusations out of this. I didn't make up "supposedly infernal" tropics. They are right there in the (always over-conservative) IPCC report. I also did not make up Fascist leanings in response to migration -- we already see it happening, and increasing, while the migration rate is a tiny fraction of what will be. There is no expectation of reduced population growth in Africa, or increased wealth, in the coming decade. If you have any suggestions that might help prevent further development of the scenario, I am all ears, but Pollyanna proclamations are the opposite.

LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago

That is a belief, an opinion of yours. Another opinionon could be that the development and innovation you are speaking of was in the ever more clever externalizing of environmental cost to 'somewhere else' like in a giant pyramid scheme, and thereby oversaturing several interconnected systems up to their tipping points. Where the 70ies doomsayers were wrong was the lack of anticipating those pyramid schemes, and their superficial covering up of bad things 'gonna happen. Welcome to the Idiocracy, maybe in the Wall-E fanedit.

LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago
errr ... oversaturATing