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These are the public trash cans that live on the corner? Okay, I mean, it doesn't hurt, but this city has a massive rat problem, and they're still not doing any

These are the public trash cans that live on the corner? Okay, I mean, it doesn't hurt, but this city has a massive rat problem, and they're still not doing anything about the mountains of trash outside commercial buildings in piles on the sidewalk.

koheripbal 7y ago
They are trying to make a better trash can to combat dumpers, worker injury, and rats. It does not mean this is the only thing they are working on. Your comment is 100% whataboutism.
- fennecfoxen 7y ago
  > It does not mean this is the only thing they are working on. It doesn't mean this is the only thing they're working on. Nevertheless it is a fact that they're not working on solving the underlying problem. They are working on marginally better traps that don't actually reduce the population effectively. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/nyregion/rats-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/nyregion/rats-new-york.ht... > “New Yorkers need to understand that they have a role in stopping this,” said [Professor Munshi-South of Fordham University Department of Biological Sciences]. “I don’t believe we have built in a right culture of how to dispose of our garbage. People have not made the connection between what your neighbors are doing with their garbage, and how this feeds the problem.”
Grazester 7y ago
Commercial buildings? The issue would very much exist for residential buildings(especially Brooklyn) even if the commercial building did not put out their trash on the sidewalk so that would not solve the rat issue. What proposal do you have in mind for the city to solve this?
- fennecfoxen 7y ago
  It isn't incumbent upon me to solve a public health crisis for the city before I comment on its existence and the official attitude of neglect towards the problem. To your points, most brownstones in, say, Park Slope, do have bins in their yard, and the trash collectors remove waste from that bin. This is at least marginal rat resistance. Midrise buildings that are further out than that will have room for dumpsters if they are required. (Multi-family apartment buildings are a form of commercial real estate, though they are neither office nor retail.)
  - Grazester 7y ago
    I read this like you had an obvious idea on solving the issue that the city could not think of, hence me asking just in case it was so. I live in a neighbourhood not too far from park slope. You have to put your trash on the curb no matter what you live in and where in the city you live. Garbage men dont even want to pick up the trash that falls from then while picking up trash from the curb so I find it incredulous that they enter your yard and take it from a bin. "Place your items curbside on the curb between 4 PM and midnight the evening before your scheduled pickup". https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01801 https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01801
dajohnson89 7y ago
there are no alleys in the city. where do you think trash should be placed for collection?
- L_Rahman 7y ago
  the extremely radical move would be to pull a Taipei - you can't leave your garbage on the street, the truck just comes everyday at different times and you walk to the truck with your garbage time variation means people's different work schedules get covered - whether you're at home in the morning, afternoon or evening you'll catch the truck 2x a week if you live in an apartment building, it makes really good sense to collectivize and hire the work out to someone or share the shore between neighbors depending on socioeconomic bracket
  - twic 7y ago
    On commercial streets where i live there's a slightly easier version of this - hour-long slots in every day the morning, evening, and possibly afternoon where you're allowed to put rubbish in bags on the street, which gets collected at the end of the slot: https://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/rubbish-and-recycling/collection-days#timed https://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/rubbish-an...
- Symbiote 7y ago
  Here in Copenhagen, large bins for commercial and apartment buildings are either kept in the courtyard, or in a garbage room (either in the basement, or a small room on the ground floor with a separate entrance). Places where they leave rubbish in plastic bags on the street for hours (even overnight) seem filthy in comparison.
forgotmypw1 7y ago
Deeming living beings a "problem" is specieist. Rats spreading disease has been disproven. They are one of the few species who still manage to survive in the concrete.

koheripbal 7y ago

They are trying to make a better trash can to combat dumpers, worker injury, and rats. It does not mean this is the only thing they are working on. Your comment is 100% whataboutism.

fennecfoxen 7y ago
> It does not mean this is the only thing they are working on. It doesn't mean this is the only thing they're working on. Nevertheless it is a fact that they're not working on solving the underlying problem. They are working on marginally better traps that don't actually reduce the population effectively. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/nyregion/rats-new-york.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/05/nyregion/rats-new-york.ht... > “New Yorkers need to understand that they have a role in stopping this,” said [Professor Munshi-South of Fordham University Department of Biological Sciences]. “I don’t believe we have built in a right culture of how to dispose of our garbage. People have not made the connection between what your neighbors are doing with their garbage, and how this feeds the problem.”

Grazester 7y ago

Commercial buildings? The issue would very much exist for residential buildings(especially Brooklyn) even if the commercial building did not put out their trash on the sidewalk so that would not solve the rat issue. What proposal do you have in mind for the city to solve this?

fennecfoxen 7y ago
It isn't incumbent upon me to solve a public health crisis for the city before I comment on its existence and the official attitude of neglect towards the problem. To your points, most brownstones in, say, Park Slope, do have bins in their yard, and the trash collectors remove waste from that bin. This is at least marginal rat resistance. Midrise buildings that are further out than that will have room for dumpsters if they are required. (Multi-family apartment buildings are a form of commercial real estate, though they are neither office nor retail.)
- Grazester 7y ago
  I read this like you had an obvious idea on solving the issue that the city could not think of, hence me asking just in case it was so. I live in a neighbourhood not too far from park slope. You have to put your trash on the curb no matter what you live in and where in the city you live. Garbage men dont even want to pick up the trash that falls from then while picking up trash from the curb so I find it incredulous that they enter your yard and take it from a bin. "Place your items curbside on the curb between 4 PM and midnight the evening before your scheduled pickup". https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01801 https://portal.311.nyc.gov/article/?kanumber=KA-01801

dajohnson89 7y ago

there are no alleys in the city. where do you think trash should be placed for collection?

L_Rahman 7y ago
the extremely radical move would be to pull a Taipei - you can't leave your garbage on the street, the truck just comes everyday at different times and you walk to the truck with your garbage time variation means people's different work schedules get covered - whether you're at home in the morning, afternoon or evening you'll catch the truck 2x a week if you live in an apartment building, it makes really good sense to collectivize and hire the work out to someone or share the shore between neighbors depending on socioeconomic bracket
- twic 7y ago
  On commercial streets where i live there's a slightly easier version of this - hour-long slots in every day the morning, evening, and possibly afternoon where you're allowed to put rubbish in bags on the street, which gets collected at the end of the slot: https://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/rubbish-and-recycling/collection-days#timed https://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/rubbish-an...
Symbiote 7y ago
Here in Copenhagen, large bins for commercial and apartment buildings are either kept in the courtyard, or in a garbage room (either in the basement, or a small room on the ground floor with a separate entrance). Places where they leave rubbish in plastic bags on the street for hours (even overnight) seem filthy in comparison.

forgotmypw1 7y ago

Deeming living beings a "problem" is specieist. Rats spreading disease has been disproven. They are one of the few species who still manage to survive in the concrete.