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Let’s see how is this going to influence Australia’s opinion on their coal powered cheap electricity.

by emrehan 7y ago

duk3luk3 7y ago
What are you comparing Australia's electricity to to call it cheap?
- taneq 7y ago
  Our wholesale power prices are actually quite low. Residential power is expensive because rooftop solar is putting the economics of maintaining the grid into a death spiral.
  - BLKNSLVR 7y ago
    Rooftop solar became popular because residential electricity prices were so high. Look up gold-plating poles and wires. The grid death spiral is a long way off. It's also something that could have been mitigated by the networks themselves if they'd had any economists worth their salt.
  - phs318u 7y ago
    Please support your claim with some evidence. I worked in the contestable electricity distribution business for 8 years from 2001 to 2009 and I can assure that your claim is complete bollocks.
    - bjowen 7y ago
      https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/july/1404136800/jess-hill/power-corrupts https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/july/1404136800/jes...
      - phs318u 7y ago
        Exactly. I worked at Powercor and Citipower - two distribution licenses but one parent company that ran a shared-everything operation across the two. We cost a bit more than one company to run but we’re able to recoup as if we were two wholly independent operations. The whole contestable distribution market was/is a huge scam.
BLKNSLVR 7y ago
Very interested to see the 'colour maps' for the next Federal election. Most rural areas were blue for the last election. (Blue represents the conservative Liberal Government, whilst Red is the opposition, Labor party. The Liberals are quite 'denialist', or at least obstructionist, when it comes to progress on alternative energy. Neither party are particularly inspiring to the Australia populace at the moment though).
endorphone 7y ago
It won't do much, I suspect, because the reasoning will be "yeah, climate change is real and is a significant danger...but look at how small Australia's contribution is compared to China". Which is effectively where it is at in Canada -- every discussion circles back to relative contribution, which is a classic tragedy of the commons (in this case being the air). If we had rational worldwide leadership we could conceivably work greenhouse gases into the WTO and other trade agreements. If China needs to be tamed for everyone else to take part, factor it in.

Let’s see how is this going to influence Australia’s opinion on their coal powered cheap electricity.

duk3luk3 7y ago

What are you comparing Australia's electricity to to call it cheap?

taneq 7y ago
Our wholesale power prices are actually quite low. Residential power is expensive because rooftop solar is putting the economics of maintaining the grid into a death spiral.
- BLKNSLVR 7y ago
  Rooftop solar became popular because residential electricity prices were so high. Look up gold-plating poles and wires. The grid death spiral is a long way off. It's also something that could have been mitigated by the networks themselves if they'd had any economists worth their salt.
- phs318u 7y ago
  Please support your claim with some evidence. I worked in the contestable electricity distribution business for 8 years from 2001 to 2009 and I can assure that your claim is complete bollocks.
  - bjowen 7y ago
    https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/july/1404136800/jess-hill/power-corrupts https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2014/july/1404136800/jes...
    - phs318u 7y ago
      Exactly. I worked at Powercor and Citipower - two distribution licenses but one parent company that ran a shared-everything operation across the two. We cost a bit more than one company to run but we’re able to recoup as if we were two wholly independent operations. The whole contestable distribution market was/is a huge scam.

BLKNSLVR 7y ago

Very interested to see the 'colour maps' for the next Federal election. Most rural areas were blue for the last election. (Blue represents the conservative Liberal Government, whilst Red is the opposition, Labor party. The Liberals are quite 'denialist', or at least obstructionist, when it comes to progress on alternative energy. Neither party are particularly inspiring to the Australia populace at the moment though).

endorphone 7y ago

It won't do much, I suspect, because the reasoning will be "yeah, climate change is real and is a significant danger...but look at how small Australia's contribution is compared to China". Which is effectively where it is at in Canada -- every discussion circles back to relative contribution, which is a classic tragedy of the commons (in this case being the air). If we had rational worldwide leadership we could conceivably work greenhouse gases into the WTO and other trade agreements. If China needs to be tamed for everyone else to take part, factor it in.