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I think you have a very good point. The overall metapoint that both you and the parent comment agree on is this: the internet isn't being "weaponized by author

I think you have a very good point. The overall metapoint that both you and the parent comment agree on is this: the internet isn't being "weaponized by authoritarian states" in some unique fashion specific to authoritarianism. I'd just round it all up to say that: like most headlines about global trends in America, this headline reenforces the meme of "American Exceptionalism" and casts the situation in a "good versus evil" narrative format that's not really helpful for understanding what's happening or what to do about it. But that itself isn't anything particularly new in itself either (queue last three decades of American headlines).

dmix 7y ago
Every Republican nominee and political organization has been compared to fascists and Hitler since the early 1950s. It long ago lost its punch yet it's still the go-to for every leftwing political ideologue like it will be taken seriously. I agree that this same stuff has been going on forever but I've noticed a significant decline in tolerance by the left of even engaging and debating those on the right. The positions of ivory tower righteous we-know-best reputation which the left has always been known for has gone into overdrive - mostly on social media but it's leaking into reputable papers like NYT and less reputable ones in terms of neutrality like WaPo. Plus the crazy radical stuff coming out of places like Teen Vogue are also quite new. Crossing lines has always been a critical political necessity as so much of politics is built on compromise. But at least culturally the hysteria and FUD being stirred up online has completely destroyed any sense of understanding or breaching the other side. Which is turning modern politics into a form of trench warfare. The right have certainly contributed to it by tolerating their crazies a little too frequently (even though they rarely win or have any power outside of useful headlines in the political media coverage) when in the past they'd stay the fringe and get zero news coverage or attention, which would otherwise increase their standing and help with recruitment to turn otherwise fringe crazies into groups the media presents with seriousness and legitimacy - because they find it useful to attach it to more mainstream and moderate voters. Which I think is a dangerous game to play and one we've already seen the consequences of. It's far easier for the baddies to recruit and be real threads when the media and other influential people connect them to the real power players in Washington who've never heard of them and would want nothing to do with them.
- seamyb88 7y ago
  Just a friendly outsider perspective, with no vested interests, which is commonly shared all over the world: The US Republican party are Fascists. Hope this helps.
  - dmix 7y ago
    Very effective strategy you got there. It's been tried in every one of the last 6 decades of elections, I'm sure it will penetrate the minds of the voters so effectively and not highlight how out-of-touch and extreme certain quarters have become or remain. Not even just republicans, plenty on the left would laugh off such banal and uninteresting of takes.
    - seamyb88 7y ago
      Strategy? You're a bit paranoid are ye? I'm from Ireland and have never set, nor would I want to set, foot in Shamerica. f'n gun nuts who hate immigrants despite themselves being founded on the genocide of the original people on the land. I feel sorry for the people in your country who aren't thick as two planks.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  I'd like to add to what you're saying: the religious right of the 2000s and earlier is what some of the left wing looks like today. Instead of religion they have some form of social justice.
- adamsea 7y ago
  I agree that fascist / Nazi comparisons aren’t very useful. I do think that the current administration exhibits behavior (verifiable, fact-checkable behavior) which legitimately meets the definition of “authoritarian” — “demanding total obedience to those in positions of authority” - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authoritarian https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authorit... — in ways that are different from past administrations,
- celticmusic 7y ago

dmix 7y ago

Every Republican nominee and political organization has been compared to fascists and Hitler since the early 1950s. It long ago lost its punch yet it's still the go-to for every leftwing political ideologue like it will be taken seriously. I agree that this same stuff has been going on forever but I've noticed a significant decline in tolerance by the left of even engaging and debating those on the right. The positions of ivory tower righteous we-know-best reputation which the left has always been known for has gone into overdrive - mostly on social media but it's leaking into reputable papers like NYT and less reputable ones in terms of neutrality like WaPo. Plus the crazy radical stuff coming out of places like Teen Vogue are also quite new. Crossing lines has always been a critical political necessity as so much of politics is built on compromise. But at least culturally the hysteria and FUD being stirred up online has completely destroyed any sense of understanding or breaching the other side. Which is turning modern politics into a form of trench warfare. The right have certainly contributed to it by tolerating their crazies a little too frequently (even though they rarely win or have any power outside of useful headlines in the political media coverage) when in the past they'd stay the fringe and get zero news coverage or attention, which would otherwise increase their standing and help with recruitment to turn otherwise fringe crazies into groups the media presents with seriousness and legitimacy - because they find it useful to attach it to more mainstream and moderate voters. Which I think is a dangerous game to play and one we've already seen the consequences of. It's far easier for the baddies to recruit and be real threads when the media and other influential people connect them to the real power players in Washington who've never heard of them and would want nothing to do with them.

seamyb88 7y ago
Just a friendly outsider perspective, with no vested interests, which is commonly shared all over the world: The US Republican party are Fascists. Hope this helps.
- dmix 7y ago
  Very effective strategy you got there. It's been tried in every one of the last 6 decades of elections, I'm sure it will penetrate the minds of the voters so effectively and not highlight how out-of-touch and extreme certain quarters have become or remain. Not even just republicans, plenty on the left would laugh off such banal and uninteresting of takes.
  - seamyb88 7y ago
    Strategy? You're a bit paranoid are ye? I'm from Ireland and have never set, nor would I want to set, foot in Shamerica. f'n gun nuts who hate immigrants despite themselves being founded on the genocide of the original people on the land. I feel sorry for the people in your country who aren't thick as two planks.
Mirioron 7y ago
I'd like to add to what you're saying: the religious right of the 2000s and earlier is what some of the left wing looks like today. Instead of religion they have some form of social justice.
adamsea 7y ago
I agree that fascist / Nazi comparisons aren’t very useful. I do think that the current administration exhibits behavior (verifiable, fact-checkable behavior) which legitimately meets the definition of “authoritarian” — “demanding total obedience to those in positions of authority” - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authoritarian https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/authorit... — in ways that are different from past administrations,
celticmusic 7y ago