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1) This was posted a few days ago when it was first posted to CCC's website, where it already had a lot of conversation. I recommend people read the posts there

by saurik 7y ago

1) This was posted a few days ago when it was first posted to CCC's website, where it already had a lot of conversation. I recommend people read the posts there, as this video has a number of issues in its argument. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904041 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21904041 2) Moxie did not want to be recorded at this event, and was told he wouldn't be recorded, and yet the video was posted anyway for a bit before the CCC took it down (which is why it is being hosted on PeerTube). https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881?s=21 https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881?s=21

baby 7y ago
Oh wow that is definitely not cool. I’m happy I got to watch it, but if he didn’t want to be recorded that is a massive breach of trust from CCC. I got to hear Moxie speak at RWC when he received the Levchin prize and I gotta say it was one of the best talk I’ve heard and it’s a shame he didn’t want to be recorded back then as well.
- lorenzhs 7y ago
  No bad intentions, just some confusion: https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881 https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881
- lima 7y ago
  It's a volunteer-ran event and mistakes happen. Probably as simple as "someone messed up the talk metadata and VOC wasn't aware that it shouldn't be recorded".
vineyardmike 7y ago
Its ironic that it is made available on a decentralized platform, since now it cannot be taken down as easily. Especially considering the topic of the video.
- hydgv 7y ago
  Actually I think it's quite a good idea if it stays up. It will show him the consequences of what he's preaching. A taste of his own medicine. (I support laws like the right to be forgotten, and I believe decentralisation to be a bad idea because it defeats those laws.)
  - lima 7y ago
    Moxie's talk is a critique of decentralization, so how is this a "taste of his own medicine"?
  - woodrowbarlow 7y ago
    that argument depends on the cooperation of the centralized parties in power, whose motivations are not necessarily aligned with (in fact, are usually opposed to) a person's desire to be forgotten.
- CharlesW 7y ago
  > Its ironic that it is made available on a decentralized platform, since now it cannot be taken down as easily. The irony is that this example showcases an Achilles Heel of decentralized services — an inability to moderate toxic and/or illegal content — which gives power to everyone who would make all decentralized services illegal. Question: How does PeerTube handle child pornography?
glogla 7y ago
Does he ever explain why he doesn't want recordings to be made? It seems to me like he's just interested at taking at people, but not interested at being talked to. More like a preacher than a presenter.
- L_226 7y ago
  Probably doesn't want to give anyone a dataset to generate deepfakes from.
- saurik 7y ago
  If you click the link I linked, the explanation is right there. FWIW, as much as I disagree with just about everything Moxie works on, I totally appreciate his issues with being recorded at a conference: it totally ruins the talk for the people who are there as now it has to be a talk that can exist without the context of "who tends to come to this event" or "the talks that came right before it on the same track" or even "stuff going on around the time of the event"; so you end up having to plan and present a talk that someone in a different field a year later is going to be able to watch without being confused about the whole thing... if you are going to do that kind of talk you should just do it at home in front of a green screen and spend time editing the video and really nailing it for a global audience instead of going to a conference to give a talk to people in person.
lima 7y ago
Given (2), it would be appropriate to remove this HN submission as well as a matter of respect. It's an excellent talk, though.
dpeck 7y ago
submitter here, wasn't aware of either of those, especially #2. No problem at all with mods deleting this.

by saurik 7y ago

baby 7y ago

Oh wow that is definitely not cool. I’m happy I got to watch it, but if he didn’t want to be recorded that is a massive breach of trust from CCC. I got to hear Moxie speak at RWC when he received the Levchin prize and I gotta say it was one of the best talk I’ve heard and it’s a shame he didn’t want to be recorded back then as well.

lorenzhs 7y ago
No bad intentions, just some confusion: https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881 https://twitter.com/moxie/status/1211427007596154881
lima 7y ago
It's a volunteer-ran event and mistakes happen. Probably as simple as "someone messed up the talk metadata and VOC wasn't aware that it shouldn't be recorded".

vineyardmike 7y ago

Its ironic that it is made available on a decentralized platform, since now it cannot be taken down as easily. Especially considering the topic of the video.

hydgv 7y ago
Actually I think it's quite a good idea if it stays up. It will show him the consequences of what he's preaching. A taste of his own medicine. (I support laws like the right to be forgotten, and I believe decentralisation to be a bad idea because it defeats those laws.)
- lima 7y ago
  Moxie's talk is a critique of decentralization, so how is this a "taste of his own medicine"?
- woodrowbarlow 7y ago
  that argument depends on the cooperation of the centralized parties in power, whose motivations are not necessarily aligned with (in fact, are usually opposed to) a person's desire to be forgotten.
CharlesW 7y ago
> Its ironic that it is made available on a decentralized platform, since now it cannot be taken down as easily. The irony is that this example showcases an Achilles Heel of decentralized services — an inability to moderate toxic and/or illegal content — which gives power to everyone who would make all decentralized services illegal. Question: How does PeerTube handle child pornography?

glogla 7y ago

Does he ever explain why he doesn't want recordings to be made? It seems to me like he's just interested at taking at people, but not interested at being talked to. More like a preacher than a presenter.

L_226 7y ago
Probably doesn't want to give anyone a dataset to generate deepfakes from.
saurik 7y ago
If you click the link I linked, the explanation is right there. FWIW, as much as I disagree with just about everything Moxie works on, I totally appreciate his issues with being recorded at a conference: it totally ruins the talk for the people who are there as now it has to be a talk that can exist without the context of "who tends to come to this event" or "the talks that came right before it on the same track" or even "stuff going on around the time of the event"; so you end up having to plan and present a talk that someone in a different field a year later is going to be able to watch without being confused about the whole thing... if you are going to do that kind of talk you should just do it at home in front of a green screen and spend time editing the video and really nailing it for a global audience instead of going to a conference to give a talk to people in person.

lima 7y ago

Given (2), it would be appropriate to remove this HN submission as well as a matter of respect. It's an excellent talk, though.

dpeck 7y ago

submitter here, wasn't aware of either of those, especially #2. No problem at all with mods deleting this.