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Good quality teachers already leave, public school is the bottom rung for teachers in the USA and I'm not saying that's okay but it's the least pay and the most

Good quality teachers already leave, public school is the bottom rung for teachers in the USA and I'm not saying that's okay but it's the least pay and the most work. Look into the turnover rate for new teachers, especially highschools. Violence and sexual harassment against teachers is far from uncommon and the administration probably won't have your back because then everyone just accuses the school of being some kind of racist or sexist conspiracy to protect evil teachers. Professionally minded teachers move on to charter and private schools once they've done their time in the pits long enough to transition into a role where they're not just daycare workers.

barry-cotter 7y ago
> Good quality teachers already leave, public school is the bottom rung for teachers in the USA and I'm not saying that's okay but it's the least pay and the most work. This isn’t true. The pay is better in public schools, the jobs are more secure and the pensions are much better. > Professionally minded teachers move on to charter and private schools once they've done their time in the pits long enough to transition into a role where they're not just daycare workers. Utter tripe. The only part of being a teacher outside the public school system that’s better is the average quality of the students. You have to really value that to think it’s worth more than being effectively unfireable and having a fantastic pension, with pretty good pay once you’re somewhere between three and six years in.
- dhdywh2jEU 7y ago
  >Utter tripe. The only part of being a teacher outside the public school system that’s better is the average quality of the students. Apparently a lot of teachers care heavily about this going by turnover rates in low-income public schools which are often the starting schools for fresh educators.
ineedasername 7y ago
No, professionally minded teachers do no such thing. The pay at private and charter schools is roughly 50% to 70% of publics' pay. Charter schools and privates are also no picnic. I'm not sure what makes you think they don't also have the same problems, but they do. I work in higher ed analytics in a role congruous to teacher education and the charter schools we partner with for teacher's in-classroom training are no better in this respect than the public schools we work with.
- dhdywh2jEU 7y ago
  >No, professionally minded teachers do no such thing. The pay at private and charter schools is roughly 50% to 70% of publics' pay. Is that the average or median figure for pay? Because I can tell you right now that in LA and San Diego the most common starting place for teachers earning or who have just earned their credentials will either be juvie or low income neighborhoods albeit this is from a highschool perspective so maybe I'm simply wrong with respect to the article. Maybe if you account for public schools in higher income neighborhoods then teaching publically remains competitive and I failed to acknowledge that in my earlier post but the overall picture for a starting teacher is none the less that they will work to either escape public school or ascend out of bad/high-turnover schools.
  - ineedasername 7y ago
    Actually the urban areas pay higher. Starting salary where I'm at is roughly 15% higher in "difficult" school districts. I'll stipulate that this applies to my state and a half dozen or so nearby states; States further away may differ, but I know of only 2 or 3 states where teacher pay is actually quite bad. In those places, privates and charters probably are just as good in pay.

barry-cotter 7y ago

> Good quality teachers already leave, public school is the bottom rung for teachers in the USA and I'm not saying that's okay but it's the least pay and the most work. This isn’t true. The pay is better in public schools, the jobs are more secure and the pensions are much better. > Professionally minded teachers move on to charter and private schools once they've done their time in the pits long enough to transition into a role where they're not just daycare workers. Utter tripe. The only part of being a teacher outside the public school system that’s better is the average quality of the students. You have to really value that to think it’s worth more than being effectively unfireable and having a fantastic pension, with pretty good pay once you’re somewhere between three and six years in.

dhdywh2jEU 7y ago
>Utter tripe. The only part of being a teacher outside the public school system that’s better is the average quality of the students. Apparently a lot of teachers care heavily about this going by turnover rates in low-income public schools which are often the starting schools for fresh educators.

ineedasername 7y ago

No, professionally minded teachers do no such thing. The pay at private and charter schools is roughly 50% to 70% of publics' pay. Charter schools and privates are also no picnic. I'm not sure what makes you think they don't also have the same problems, but they do. I work in higher ed analytics in a role congruous to teacher education and the charter schools we partner with for teacher's in-classroom training are no better in this respect than the public schools we work with.

dhdywh2jEU 7y ago
>No, professionally minded teachers do no such thing. The pay at private and charter schools is roughly 50% to 70% of publics' pay. Is that the average or median figure for pay? Because I can tell you right now that in LA and San Diego the most common starting place for teachers earning or who have just earned their credentials will either be juvie or low income neighborhoods albeit this is from a highschool perspective so maybe I'm simply wrong with respect to the article. Maybe if you account for public schools in higher income neighborhoods then teaching publically remains competitive and I failed to acknowledge that in my earlier post but the overall picture for a starting teacher is none the less that they will work to either escape public school or ascend out of bad/high-turnover schools.
- ineedasername 7y ago
  Actually the urban areas pay higher. Starting salary where I'm at is roughly 15% higher in "difficult" school districts. I'll stipulate that this applies to my state and a half dozen or so nearby states; States further away may differ, but I know of only 2 or 3 states where teacher pay is actually quite bad. In those places, privates and charters probably are just as good in pay.