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>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to

>Why? That’s just a name. is it really that difficult to attempt empathy? imagine being one of his kids, growing up to become a developer, and then having to work on code that intersects with reiserfs.

cassianoleal 7y ago
His kids probably bear that same name though, don't they?
- throwlaplace 7y ago
  >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Reiser_pleads_not_guilty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Reiser_pleads_not_... since kids are in Russia i highly doubt that.
  - cassianoleal 7y ago
    I don't see the relation between the country where they live and them changing their names. I couldn't find any news to that effect either. Seems like a bit of a stretch.
ilammy 7y ago
So... how changing a name averts that situation? By hoping that the kid never finds out? And should current developers rather abstain from continuing development as they obviously behave as insensitive egoistic jerks that instead should drink some brain bleach, bury the project, and move on? Come one, that’s ridiculous. It’s more irrational than blaming the gun for the murder: it’s like blaming the word for that and pretending that if you call it something else then it did not happen.
- throwlaplace 7y ago
  you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.
  - Yver 7y ago
    If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.
    - throwlaplace 7y ago
      i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empathy-difference https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat... the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind. Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happened to me then I can't genuinely be concerned. I didn't even know that that was something people believed. Interesting. Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?
      - gdy 7y ago
        "Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?" Virtue signalling.
        throwlaplace 7y ago
        I'm posting from a throwaway. What is the incentive for me to signal anything?
        gdy 7y ago
        That sweet feeling of being better than others.
        throwlaplace 7y ago
        Makes no sense - signals have to have objects. If I wanted to feel better than others I just would
        7y ago
rlt 7y ago
There are costs to renaming the project too. Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth. And what about the kids whose parents were murdered by people with more common names?
- throwlaplace 7y ago
  >Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth. false dichotomy. this isn't a choice between not doing it and doing it absolutely always. i'm not claiming we need to spend all of our energy. i think today we spend very little of our energy optimizing for any kind of empathy let alone marginal. so any increase is still well within manageable (in terms of cost).
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gdy 7y ago
That's a rather hypothetical situation, his kids may as well avoid programming altogether or simply be interested in something else. Your comment, by the way, is very insensitive, surely with your empathy you could've imagined possibility of the author of the parent comment being autistic and hurt by your suggestion that empathy is easy.
- cassianoleal 7y ago
  In my experience, autistics are very empathic. Sometimes in different ways than neurotypicals, and how it's displayed might be different as well. Googling something like "quora autistic empathy" will give you plenty of informed posts about the subject. I recommend reading the ones written by actual autistics. Here are a few examples: - https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-autistic-people-deal-with-hyper-empathy https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-autistic-people-deal-... - https://www.quora.com/Can-autistic-people-be-empathetic https://www.quora.com/Can-autistic-people-be-empathetic - https://www.quora.com/Can-people-with-ASD-Asperger-Syndrome-and-Autism-feel-empathy https://www.quora.com/Can-people-with-ASD-Asperger-Syndrome-...
  - gdy 7y ago
    Thank you, the last link shows it was utterly wrong to use autism as an example.
vilhelm_s 7y ago
It seems his kids are named Reiser too, so presumably they encounter the name quite often? (https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reisers-children-60-million-in-damages/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reis...)

cassianoleal 7y ago

His kids probably bear that same name though, don't they?

throwlaplace 7y ago
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Reiser_pleads_not_guilty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser#Reiser_pleads_not_... since kids are in Russia i highly doubt that.
- cassianoleal 7y ago
  I don't see the relation between the country where they live and them changing their names. I couldn't find any news to that effect either. Seems like a bit of a stretch.

ilammy 7y ago

So... how changing a name averts that situation? By hoping that the kid never finds out? And should current developers rather abstain from continuing development as they obviously behave as insensitive egoistic jerks that instead should drink some brain bleach, bury the project, and move on? Come one, that’s ridiculous. It’s more irrational than blaming the gun for the murder: it’s like blaming the word for that and pretending that if you call it something else then it did not happen.

throwlaplace 7y ago
you're still not making the attempt; it requires imagining being that person. my point is very simple and obvious: having to constantly be presented with the name of your abuser is painful.
- Yver 7y ago
  If you have to imagine it then this is concern trolling.
  - throwlaplace 7y ago
    i don't understand what you're getting at? that's the definition of empathy: https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empathy-difference https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/sympathy-empat... the implication is that even though i haven't had my mother murdered i can simulate the experience and thereby relate (to an extent) to someone that has and make decisions with those insights in mind. Edit: I just realized that what you probably meant is that if it's never happened to me then I can't genuinely be concerned. I didn't even know that that was something people believed. Interesting. Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?
    - gdy 7y ago
      "Why would anyone pretend to be concerned for someone else's wellbeing?" Virtue signalling.
      - throwlaplace 7y ago
        I'm posting from a throwaway. What is the incentive for me to signal anything?
        gdy 7y ago
        That sweet feeling of being better than others.
        throwlaplace 7y ago
        Makes no sense - signals have to have objects. If I wanted to feel better than others I just would
      - 7y ago

rlt 7y ago

There are costs to renaming the project too. Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth. And what about the kids whose parents were murdered by people with more common names?

throwlaplace 7y ago
>Imagine we spent all of our energy avoiding already unlikely situations that might marginally harm ~2 out of 7.5 billion people on earth. false dichotomy. this isn't a choice between not doing it and doing it absolutely always. i'm not claiming we need to spend all of our energy. i think today we spend very little of our energy optimizing for any kind of empathy let alone marginal. so any increase is still well within manageable (in terms of cost).

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gdy 7y ago

That's a rather hypothetical situation, his kids may as well avoid programming altogether or simply be interested in something else. Your comment, by the way, is very insensitive, surely with your empathy you could've imagined possibility of the author of the parent comment being autistic and hurt by your suggestion that empathy is easy.

cassianoleal 7y ago
In my experience, autistics are very empathic. Sometimes in different ways than neurotypicals, and how it's displayed might be different as well. Googling something like "quora autistic empathy" will give you plenty of informed posts about the subject. I recommend reading the ones written by actual autistics. Here are a few examples: - https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-autistic-people-deal-with-hyper-empathy https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-think-autistic-people-deal-... - https://www.quora.com/Can-autistic-people-be-empathetic https://www.quora.com/Can-autistic-people-be-empathetic - https://www.quora.com/Can-people-with-ASD-Asperger-Syndrome-and-Autism-feel-empathy https://www.quora.com/Can-people-with-ASD-Asperger-Syndrome-...
- gdy 7y ago
  Thank you, the last link shows it was utterly wrong to use autism as an example.

vilhelm_s 7y ago

It seems his kids are named Reiser too, so presumably they encounter the name quite often? (https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reisers-children-60-million-in-damages/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2012/07/17/jury-awards-hans-reis...)