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In what objective way was society better off when teachers could hit kids with a ruler. Lower crime rates? Longer life span? More productive workers? Less incom

In what objective way was society better off when teachers could hit kids with a ruler. Lower crime rates? Longer life span? More productive workers? Less income inequality?

frankharv 7y ago
Respecting your elders was much more prevalent.
- drewrv 7y ago
  Respecting your abusers was much more prevalent.
- kick 7y ago
  If the only way for the old to gain "respect" (read: fear) is by hitting children barely old enough to be in school, maybe they don't deserve it.
  - frankharv 7y ago
    We certainly did not need to have Police permanently stationed in the school. That alone makes the point. Our society is much more violent than in the past. It starts at childhood age. Lack of discipline leads to anarchy.
    - learc83 7y ago
      >Our society is much more violent than in the past. No it's not. Look up the statistics. >We certainly did not need to have Police permanently stationed in the school. Most other developed countries don't either. There's no correlation with corporal punishment in schools and school shootings.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - thrwaway69 7y ago
      Citation? Maybe Americans are doing something wrong but educational reforms and less abuse of kids in other places have shown positive effects. Not to mention, crimes rates are slowing down in those areas with more development.
    - kick 7y ago
      https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2018-crime-statistics https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-release...
- learc83 7y ago
  Do you have data to back that up? Has the crime rate against the elderly increased? Or does it just feel like it was better? My parents think it's much more dangerous for kids to play outside now than back when I was a kid in the 80s. Despite the fact that the crime rate is much lower.
- jimmyswimmy 7y ago
  I'm not sure that was the effect. The kids may have responded in the desired fashion after being struck by a ruler, but I bet they hardened their minds against that teacher. My parents hated the nuns who ran their schools like this and took every chance they got to undermine them, because of the ruler business. Using size and power to rule children earns fear, not respect, and I think there are a lot of studies to back that up.
dsfyu404ed 7y ago
>In what objective way was society better off when teachers could hit kids with a ruler We weren't but given the choice (false dichotomy, obviously) of teachers hitting kids with rulers for being out of line or having someone who is trained to see everything through the lens of "what charges can we toss at this, what law is being violated" patrolling every school I would choose the former in a heartbeat. Kids hit with rulers is a diffuse bad thing. Kids catching criminal charges is a concentrated bad thing.
- learc83 7y ago
  > Kids catching criminal charges is a concentrated bad thing. That is something that's definitely worse today for white kids. If you were a black kid 60 years ago, it was much worse than it is today.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    So what's your point? We as a society should screw more white kids because they're not being screwed as hard as the black kids? Sounds like a good argument to have school resource officers nowhere if you ask me.
    - learc83 7y ago
      My point is that the the good old days weren't the good old days.
      - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
        They weren't the good old days for everyone or in every way but only a moron is going to look at the past and say they got nothing right. Not having cops in schools was something they got right in the past.
        learc83 7y ago
        I'm not really sure why you seem so intent on arguing with straw men.

In what objective way was society better off when teachers could hit kids with a ruler. Lower crime rates? Longer life span? More productive workers? Less income inequality?

frankharv 7y ago

Respecting your elders was much more prevalent.

drewrv 7y ago
Respecting your abusers was much more prevalent.
kick 7y ago
If the only way for the old to gain "respect" (read: fear) is by hitting children barely old enough to be in school, maybe they don't deserve it.
- frankharv 7y ago
  We certainly did not need to have Police permanently stationed in the school. That alone makes the point. Our society is much more violent than in the past. It starts at childhood age. Lack of discipline leads to anarchy.
  - learc83 7y ago
    >Our society is much more violent than in the past. No it's not. Look up the statistics. >We certainly did not need to have Police permanently stationed in the school. Most other developed countries don't either. There's no correlation with corporal punishment in schools and school shootings.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - thrwaway69 7y ago
    Citation? Maybe Americans are doing something wrong but educational reforms and less abuse of kids in other places have shown positive effects. Not to mention, crimes rates are slowing down in those areas with more development.
  - kick 7y ago
    https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2018-crime-statistics https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-release...
learc83 7y ago
Do you have data to back that up? Has the crime rate against the elderly increased? Or does it just feel like it was better? My parents think it's much more dangerous for kids to play outside now than back when I was a kid in the 80s. Despite the fact that the crime rate is much lower.
jimmyswimmy 7y ago
I'm not sure that was the effect. The kids may have responded in the desired fashion after being struck by a ruler, but I bet they hardened their minds against that teacher. My parents hated the nuns who ran their schools like this and took every chance they got to undermine them, because of the ruler business. Using size and power to rule children earns fear, not respect, and I think there are a lot of studies to back that up.

dsfyu404ed 7y ago

>In what objective way was society better off when teachers could hit kids with a ruler We weren't but given the choice (false dichotomy, obviously) of teachers hitting kids with rulers for being out of line or having someone who is trained to see everything through the lens of "what charges can we toss at this, what law is being violated" patrolling every school I would choose the former in a heartbeat. Kids hit with rulers is a diffuse bad thing. Kids catching criminal charges is a concentrated bad thing.

learc83 7y ago
> Kids catching criminal charges is a concentrated bad thing. That is something that's definitely worse today for white kids. If you were a black kid 60 years ago, it was much worse than it is today.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  So what's your point? We as a society should screw more white kids because they're not being screwed as hard as the black kids? Sounds like a good argument to have school resource officers nowhere if you ask me.
  - learc83 7y ago
    My point is that the the good old days weren't the good old days.
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      They weren't the good old days for everyone or in every way but only a moron is going to look at the past and say they got nothing right. Not having cops in schools was something they got right in the past.
      - learc83 7y ago
        I'm not really sure why you seem so intent on arguing with straw men.