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A lot of the article seems to be based on liberal ideals, which include a less prominent America, the promotion of Veganism, and embracing the fall of the West.

A lot of the article seems to be based on liberal ideals, which include a less prominent America, the promotion of Veganism, and embracing the fall of the West. For the most part, the author’s expectations about crypto are mistaken in that they assume financiers in the west trust China enough to buy into its digital currency. We are bordering on a Cold War; we aren’t about to trust them to keep their promises on crypto. I think a more moderate take would be suggesting a straddle of the EU - either it strangles itself with clunky bureaucracy, or it becomes more closely unified and a world power in the likes of the US, Russia, or China. Furthermore, I think we could see the United States grow with the additions of Guam, Puerto Rico, and/or Greenland.

Fauntleroy 7y ago
In theory the US could add Guam and Puerto Rico... but how would that ever be politically viable? There's no way this is going to happen if one party in a two party system knows it will lead to their doom.
- burfog 7y ago
  Add two at once. Possibilities include creating West California, West Washington, South Virginia, and South Illinois.
  - bobthepanda 7y ago
    That works for balancing the Senate, but not really the House. Adding PR to the House would significantly reduce the odds of a Republican House given that the current GOP makes a lot of noises that often seem like they're racist against Hispanics.
    - ianai 7y ago
      They don’t seem racist. They ARE racist. They enact racist policies/laws every election and chance they get.
- thatcat 7y ago
  Isn't the point of the electoral college that they can and are reassigned Isn't the point of the electoral college that they can and are reassigned values for each territory periodically? periodically?
- asveikau 7y ago
  I don't know what "adding Guam and Puerto Rico" means when they are already US territories. Your comment seems to imply that this means statehood, i.e. addition of senators and voting representatives. But the parent throws them in with Greenland, which is not a US territory.
  - ianai 7y ago
    Pretty sure only trump has ever seriously posited adding Greenland to the US. I’d love for a source of that idea though.
    - fiestaman 7y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland?oldformat=true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_State...
    - kelnos 7y ago
      IIRC the US tried to purchase Greenland after WWII, but Denmark declined back then as well.
elfexec 7y ago
> A lot of the article seems to be based on liberal ideals Not liberal ideals. Globalist neoliberal ideals. > which include a less prominent America, the promotion of Veganism, and embracing the fall of the West. These aren't liberal ideals. They are globalist neoliberal ideals. Anti-human, anti-american and pro-globalist financiers. > or it becomes more closely unified and a world power in the likes of the US, Russia, or China. Simply will never happen as neither the US nor Russia would support this. Only china currently seems to want closer EU integration purely for economic/market purposes. Power is a zero sum game. The biggest loser in the rise of EU would be the US. Having europe turn from a "vassal" to a competitor would represent a significant loss of power for the US. > Furthermore, I think we could see the United States grow with the additions of Guam, Puerto Rico, and/or Greenland. Guam and Puerto Rico are already part of the US. I think we should work with native greenlanders directly and have greenland become part of the US. Perhaps a large cash payment for each true native inuit greenlander ( not danish/european/etc settlers in greenland ) and a percentage of greenland's productive output for 100 or 200 years? Seems like something should have been worked out with the native greenlanders a long time.
- cyphar 7y ago
  > Not liberal ideals. Globalist neoliberal ideals. "Neoliberal" refers to Clinton-style ("third way") liberal politicians. I don't know who you're using it to refer to. > Having europe turn from a "vassal" to a competitor would represent a significant loss of power for the US. You forgot to include why you think that's a bad thing. > Guam and Puerto Rico are already part of the US. But they can't vote and have no (useful) representation in Congress. Citizens of Guam and Puerto Rico are treated as second class citizens ("US Nationals", not "US Citizens").
  - elfexec 7y ago
    > "Neoliberal" refers to Clinton-style ("third way") liberal politicians. I don't know who you're using it to refer to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism > You forgot to include why you think that's a bad thing. What? I'm just pointing out why the US would be against a EU competitor? Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote and the comment I was responding to. I think "globalist neoliberal" triggered something that made you see things that aren't there. > But they can't vote and have no (useful) representation in Congress. All I said was that they are part of the US. > Citizens of Guam and Puerto Rico are treated as second class citizens ("US Nationals", not "US Citizens"). Sure. But they are still part of the US. I was responding to " Furthermore, I think we could see the United States grow with the additions of Guam, Puerto Rico, and/or Greenland." Blacks and women couldn't vote in NY and the US for a long time. Doesn't mean NY wasn't a part of the US or the US existed. I think "globalist neoliberal" really got you reading into things. I made specific replies to specific comments. Which you completely ignored.
wavefunction 7y ago
I downvoted your for "liberal ideals" when the rest of your post reads like a flimsy cliche of a "non-liberal."
thesquib 7y ago
I think the article is based on current trends, not on US politics.
choicenotchance 7y ago
EU will by overrun by Sharia evangelizing radicalists it seems. > In Germany, Turkey controls 900 mosques out of a total of 2,400. These Islamic centers not only serve members of the Turkish diaspora, but also stop them from assimilating into German society. Speaking with Turks in Germany, Erdogan urged them not to assimilate, and called the assimilation of migrants in Europe "a crime against humanity". He apparently wants them to remain part of Turkey and the Ummah, the global Muslim community. > Last year, Austrian authorities announced the closure of several Turkish-controlled mosques after "children in a Turkish-financed mosque re-enacting the first world war battle of Gallipoli." According to The Guardian: > As many as 60 Turkish imams and their families face expulsion from Austria and seven mosques are due to be closed under a clampdown on what the government has called "political Islam". > Austria's chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, said the country could no longer put up with "parallel societies, political Islam and radicalisation," which he said had "no place in our country". > Erdogan, however, knows that against Europe, numbers are on his side. "Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe," Erdogan told the Turkish diaspora. Eurostat, the official statistics agency of the European Union, shows that in terms of birthrates, Turkey is ahead of Europe. In one year in Turkey, more than 1.2 million children were born, while only 5.07 million children were born in all of the EU's 28 member states. What would Europe look like if 80 million Turks joined the EU?" Ref: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15054/erdogan-campaign-against-west https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15054/erdogan-campaign-ag... Also read: "Hey EU, wake up. I say it again: if you try to frame our operation there as an invasion, our task is simple: we will open the doors and send 3.6 million migrants to you." Ref: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-send-millions-refugees-europe-eu-calls/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-...

Fauntleroy 7y ago

In theory the US could add Guam and Puerto Rico... but how would that ever be politically viable? There's no way this is going to happen if one party in a two party system knows it will lead to their doom.

burfog 7y ago
Add two at once. Possibilities include creating West California, West Washington, South Virginia, and South Illinois.
- bobthepanda 7y ago
  That works for balancing the Senate, but not really the House. Adding PR to the House would significantly reduce the odds of a Republican House given that the current GOP makes a lot of noises that often seem like they're racist against Hispanics.
  - ianai 7y ago
    They don’t seem racist. They ARE racist. They enact racist policies/laws every election and chance they get.
thatcat 7y ago
Isn't the point of the electoral college that they can and are reassigned Isn't the point of the electoral college that they can and are reassigned values for each territory periodically? periodically?
asveikau 7y ago
I don't know what "adding Guam and Puerto Rico" means when they are already US territories. Your comment seems to imply that this means statehood, i.e. addition of senators and voting representatives. But the parent throws them in with Greenland, which is not a US territory.
- ianai 7y ago
  Pretty sure only trump has ever seriously posited adding Greenland to the US. I’d love for a source of that idea though.
  - fiestaman 7y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_States_to_purchase_Greenland?oldformat=true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_the_United_State...
  - kelnos 7y ago
    IIRC the US tried to purchase Greenland after WWII, but Denmark declined back then as well.

elfexec 7y ago

> A lot of the article seems to be based on liberal ideals Not liberal ideals. Globalist neoliberal ideals. > which include a less prominent America, the promotion of Veganism, and embracing the fall of the West. These aren't liberal ideals. They are globalist neoliberal ideals. Anti-human, anti-american and pro-globalist financiers. > or it becomes more closely unified and a world power in the likes of the US, Russia, or China. Simply will never happen as neither the US nor Russia would support this. Only china currently seems to want closer EU integration purely for economic/market purposes. Power is a zero sum game. The biggest loser in the rise of EU would be the US. Having europe turn from a "vassal" to a competitor would represent a significant loss of power for the US. > Furthermore, I think we could see the United States grow with the additions of Guam, Puerto Rico, and/or Greenland. Guam and Puerto Rico are already part of the US. I think we should work with native greenlanders directly and have greenland become part of the US. Perhaps a large cash payment for each true native inuit greenlander ( not danish/european/etc settlers in greenland ) and a percentage of greenland's productive output for 100 or 200 years? Seems like something should have been worked out with the native greenlanders a long time.

cyphar 7y ago
> Not liberal ideals. Globalist neoliberal ideals. "Neoliberal" refers to Clinton-style ("third way") liberal politicians. I don't know who you're using it to refer to. > Having europe turn from a "vassal" to a competitor would represent a significant loss of power for the US. You forgot to include why you think that's a bad thing. > Guam and Puerto Rico are already part of the US. But they can't vote and have no (useful) representation in Congress. Citizens of Guam and Puerto Rico are treated as second class citizens ("US Nationals", not "US Citizens").
- elfexec 7y ago
  > "Neoliberal" refers to Clinton-style ("third way") liberal politicians. I don't know who you're using it to refer to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism > You forgot to include why you think that's a bad thing. What? I'm just pointing out why the US would be against a EU competitor? Perhaps you need to reread what I wrote and the comment I was responding to. I think "globalist neoliberal" triggered something that made you see things that aren't there. > But they can't vote and have no (useful) representation in Congress. All I said was that they are part of the US. > Citizens of Guam and Puerto Rico are treated as second class citizens ("US Nationals", not "US Citizens"). Sure. But they are still part of the US. I was responding to " Furthermore, I think we could see the United States grow with the additions of Guam, Puerto Rico, and/or Greenland." Blacks and women couldn't vote in NY and the US for a long time. Doesn't mean NY wasn't a part of the US or the US existed. I think "globalist neoliberal" really got you reading into things. I made specific replies to specific comments. Which you completely ignored.

wavefunction 7y ago

I downvoted your for "liberal ideals" when the rest of your post reads like a flimsy cliche of a "non-liberal."

thesquib 7y ago

I think the article is based on current trends, not on US politics.

choicenotchance 7y ago

EU will by overrun by Sharia evangelizing radicalists it seems. > In Germany, Turkey controls 900 mosques out of a total of 2,400. These Islamic centers not only serve members of the Turkish diaspora, but also stop them from assimilating into German society. Speaking with Turks in Germany, Erdogan urged them not to assimilate, and called the assimilation of migrants in Europe "a crime against humanity". He apparently wants them to remain part of Turkey and the Ummah, the global Muslim community. > Last year, Austrian authorities announced the closure of several Turkish-controlled mosques after "children in a Turkish-financed mosque re-enacting the first world war battle of Gallipoli." According to The Guardian: > As many as 60 Turkish imams and their families face expulsion from Austria and seven mosques are due to be closed under a clampdown on what the government has called "political Islam". > Austria's chancellor, Sebastian Kurz, said the country could no longer put up with "parallel societies, political Islam and radicalisation," which he said had "no place in our country". > Erdogan, however, knows that against Europe, numbers are on his side. "Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe," Erdogan told the Turkish diaspora. Eurostat, the official statistics agency of the European Union, shows that in terms of birthrates, Turkey is ahead of Europe. In one year in Turkey, more than 1.2 million children were born, while only 5.07 million children were born in all of the EU's 28 member states. What would Europe look like if 80 million Turks joined the EU?" Ref: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15054/erdogan-campaign-against-west https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/15054/erdogan-campaign-ag... Also read: "Hey EU, wake up. I say it again: if you try to frame our operation there as an invasion, our task is simple: we will open the doors and send 3.6 million migrants to you." Ref: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-threatens-send-millions-refugees-europe-eu-calls/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/10/turkeys-erdogan-...