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I did three 12-hour road trips Norway this year, 2 of them in a borrowed Tesla Model S. The Model S trip was less tiring than the fossil car trip. Same amount o

by marvin 7y ago

I did three 12-hour road trips Norway this year, 2 of them in a borrowed Tesla Model S. The Model S trip was less tiring than the fossil car trip. Same amount of stops, only difference is we plugged in the Model S the two times we had a 30-minute break. If 60 minutes of stopping on a 12-hour drive is a dealbreaker to you, you should go with a fossil fuel car.

BrandoElFollito 7y ago
No, what I meant is that this is not going to be 2x30 minutes, but 2x(30 min charge + n x 30 min waiting in queue for the chargers because there are not enough of them). Vs 10 fuel pumps where people spend 3 min. When the proportions are reversed then EV make sense for trips with other purple taking the trip at the same time on the same road (as this is the case in France for school holidays)
- marvin 7y ago
  We had 10 free chargers to choose from every time we stopped, but I obviously can't say anything about the state of Tesla's charging network in your location. Non-Tesla chargers are usually over capacity in Norway though. No manufacturers or companies have the guts to actually exploit the market dynamics here, by charging enough to get the free capacity right and building out more total capacity if a location is very profitable. I do see your point wrt. national school holidays and other ("a few times a year") peak times, but I'm not sure this would be enough of a disadvantage to negate the positives of EVs (economically speaking) in the long term. A typical Model 3 stop will be 15-20 minutes (not 30) if you're able to stop at the right time, and some sort of peak rate could limit the demand at annual peak times if necessary. Roadside charging is only used for road trips when travelling longer than your vehicle's range, and proper EVs have a >400km range in the first place.
  - BrandoElFollito 7y ago
    There are usually available chargers in my area as well. The problem is when, on one single route (such as Paris to the Alps where there is basically one or two reasonable routes) everybody drives exactly at the same time (which is the case during school vacation). In that case there will be a queue for the chargers - even if there are as many of them as fuel pumps, the fact that you need to spend 30 min at it vs 3 minutes makes the whole "stop for recharge" very long, at least twice.

by marvin 7y ago

BrandoElFollito 7y ago

No, what I meant is that this is not going to be 2x30 minutes, but 2x(30 min charge + n x 30 min waiting in queue for the chargers because there are not enough of them). Vs 10 fuel pumps where people spend 3 min. When the proportions are reversed then EV make sense for trips with other purple taking the trip at the same time on the same road (as this is the case in France for school holidays)

marvin 7y ago
We had 10 free chargers to choose from every time we stopped, but I obviously can't say anything about the state of Tesla's charging network in your location. Non-Tesla chargers are usually over capacity in Norway though. No manufacturers or companies have the guts to actually exploit the market dynamics here, by charging enough to get the free capacity right and building out more total capacity if a location is very profitable. I do see your point wrt. national school holidays and other ("a few times a year") peak times, but I'm not sure this would be enough of a disadvantage to negate the positives of EVs (economically speaking) in the long term. A typical Model 3 stop will be 15-20 minutes (not 30) if you're able to stop at the right time, and some sort of peak rate could limit the demand at annual peak times if necessary. Roadside charging is only used for road trips when travelling longer than your vehicle's range, and proper EVs have a >400km range in the first place.
- BrandoElFollito 7y ago
  There are usually available chargers in my area as well. The problem is when, on one single route (such as Paris to the Alps where there is basically one or two reasonable routes) everybody drives exactly at the same time (which is the case during school vacation). In that case there will be a queue for the chargers - even if there are as many of them as fuel pumps, the fact that you need to spend 30 min at it vs 3 minutes makes the whole "stop for recharge" very long, at least twice.