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> Happy new decade! HN wouldn't be HN if I'd let this stand uncommented, so... The decade actually runs from 2011-2020. But yes, the 20s have finally started.

> Happy new decade! HN wouldn't be HN if I'd let this stand uncommented, so... The decade actually runs from 2011-2020. But yes, the 20s have finally started. Anyways, Happy New Year! ;)

ddevault 7y ago
Pretty sick of hearing this one, it doesn't make any sense. According to who? How about the billions of people celebrating the new decade? It just seems like the rallying cry of buzzkills. Edit: dear god, it was rhetorical, please stop explaining it. Construct a system in which everyone is correct by making the 0th or 1st year undefined until additional context is established, then use it to stop being a pedant. https://xkcd.com/2249 https://xkcd.com/2249
- frogger23123 7y ago
  According to decimal numbers. 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.
  - ddevault 7y ago
    You could argue 0-9, 10-19, 11-20 as an equally vaild grouping.
    - bananabreakfast 7y ago
      Not if you're counting years, since years are not 0 indexed
- sm4rk0 7y ago
  The year zero does not exist in the Anno Domini (AD) system commonly used to number years in the Gregorian calendar [1], so the first decade was years 1AD-10AD (ten years). This means current decade started on January 1st 2001. and ends with December 31st 2020. From Wikipedia Decade[2] article: There are two main methods of counting decades in recognition. One, called ordinal, counts decades starting with the first year 1 CE (For example, the years 1981–1990 is referred to as the 199th decade or the 9th decade of the 20th century), while the other, called cardinal, groups years based on having the same digits (For example, the years 1980–1989 is referred to as the 1980s, or commonly known as the eighties). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade
- bananabreakfast 7y ago
  According to what years mean. Years are not 0 indexed. A "decade" of apples would be apple #1 to apple #10 The second "decade" would then be apple #11 to apple #20 Ergo, 2020 is the ending year of the second decade of the third millennium, which started on 2001 :) It's essentially the difference between celebrating a new chunk of time defined by our collective radix, and celebrating a year because of the way it looks. We are now in "the 2020s" but not the second decade until next year. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say we are in a new decade.
  - benatkin 7y ago
    They are zero indexed. The first zero is just missing. It's only relevant if you need to work in terms of the nth century, or cross the boundary between CE and BCE. Calling this the start of a new decade, and 2001 the start of this century, still makes perfect sense with the logical and consistent model that ISO has come up with. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en I like ordinals and appreciate the distinction between ordinal and cardinal, and am happy with this edge case. It gets confusing with centuries and terms like the 2000s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s) but decades tend to always be called 10s, 20s, etc. If you can get people to call this the 202nd decade, more power to you. However, defining the 2020s or 20s as 2021-2030 is wrong.
- cesarb 7y ago
  > it doesn't make any sense. According to who? The year numbering in the current western calendar starts from one (AD 1), not zero (it jumps from 1 BC to AD 1). So the first decade would be from AD 1 to AD 10, the second decade from AD 11 to AD 20, and so on (and the same on the other direction, with a decade from 10 BC to 1 BC, another one from 20 BC to 11 BC, etc).
- sm4rk0 7y ago
  Re: billions of people being in majority ≠ being right
  - ddevault 7y ago
    Language is defined by the majority.
    - warlog 7y ago
      This isn't an issue of language, it's a check on the internal consistency of a number system. No year zero and the decade starts next year are internally consistent. That most people think the decade started doesn't make it true, just like most people believing in God(tm) doesn't make it true.
stonogo 7y ago
The International Standards Organization has determined otherwise. See ISO 8601, section 3.1.2.22, which defines "decade" to mean "time scale unit (3.1.1.7) of 10 calendar years (3.1.2.21), beginning with a year whose year number is divisible without remainder by ten". https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en
- emilfihlman 7y ago
  This right here is the real answer.
- brlewis 7y ago
  As the link you provided acknowledges, "decade" and "century" describe a duration, not specific start times. They find it convenient for purposes of the ISO 8601 document to set the start of decades and centuries in a way that corresponds to portions of the way dates are represented. Outside the context of that document these definitions could cause problems. For example, no first century exists by that definition, since there was no year 0.
  - robbrown451 7y ago
    Of course you are right regarding the first century. But when we get to later centuries, say the 18th century, we are as likely to describe it as "the 1700s", in which case, it seems that it should start at 1700, not 1701. And we certainly do that with decades (notwithstanding the hard-to-name last two decades). It is now the 20s. That's a decade. There are always going to be weird cases. If it is February 10th, and you say "one month from today," what is meant by that? 28 (or 29) days later, March 10? Or 30.4375 days later, plus or minus a day or two? And then you have days which are 23 or 25 hours long, because of Daylight Savings Time. (see all the potential for ambiguity with the word "day": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day) I personally think it makes the most sense to think of decades, centuries, and millennia starting when the number rolls over. When you find yourself in ambiguous territory (such as talking about the first century, and in a way it matters whether it is 99 or 100 years long), just take the extra effort to clarify. Most likely this will never come up except for a very small subset of people.
blendergeek 7y ago
Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2249/ https://xkcd.com/2249/
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> Happy new decade! HN wouldn't be HN if I'd let this stand uncommented, so... The decade actually runs from 2011-2020. But yes, the 20s have finally started. Anyways, Happy New Year! ;)

ddevault 7y ago

Pretty sick of hearing this one, it doesn't make any sense. According to who? How about the billions of people celebrating the new decade? It just seems like the rallying cry of buzzkills. Edit: dear god, it was rhetorical, please stop explaining it. Construct a system in which everyone is correct by making the 0th or 1st year undefined until additional context is established, then use it to stop being a pedant. https://xkcd.com/2249 https://xkcd.com/2249

frogger23123 7y ago
According to decimal numbers. 1-10, 11-20, 21-30, etc.
- ddevault 7y ago
  You could argue 0-9, 10-19, 11-20 as an equally vaild grouping.
  - bananabreakfast 7y ago
    Not if you're counting years, since years are not 0 indexed
sm4rk0 7y ago
The year zero does not exist in the Anno Domini (AD) system commonly used to number years in the Gregorian calendar [1], so the first decade was years 1AD-10AD (ten years). This means current decade started on January 1st 2001. and ends with December 31st 2020. From Wikipedia Decade[2] article: There are two main methods of counting decades in recognition. One, called ordinal, counts decades starting with the first year 1 CE (For example, the years 1981–1990 is referred to as the 199th decade or the 9th decade of the 20th century), while the other, called cardinal, groups years based on having the same digits (For example, the years 1980–1989 is referred to as the 1980s, or commonly known as the eighties). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_zero 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade
bananabreakfast 7y ago
According to what years mean. Years are not 0 indexed. A "decade" of apples would be apple #1 to apple #10 The second "decade" would then be apple #11 to apple #20 Ergo, 2020 is the ending year of the second decade of the third millennium, which started on 2001 :) It's essentially the difference between celebrating a new chunk of time defined by our collective radix, and celebrating a year because of the way it looks. We are now in "the 2020s" but not the second decade until next year. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say we are in a new decade.
- benatkin 7y ago
  They are zero indexed. The first zero is just missing. It's only relevant if you need to work in terms of the nth century, or cross the boundary between CE and BCE. Calling this the start of a new decade, and 2001 the start of this century, still makes perfect sense with the logical and consistent model that ISO has come up with. https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en I like ordinals and appreciate the distinction between ordinal and cardinal, and am happy with this edge case. It gets confusing with centuries and terms like the 2000s (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000s) but decades tend to always be called 10s, 20s, etc. If you can get people to call this the 202nd decade, more power to you. However, defining the 2020s or 20s as 2021-2030 is wrong.
cesarb 7y ago
> it doesn't make any sense. According to who? The year numbering in the current western calendar starts from one (AD 1), not zero (it jumps from 1 BC to AD 1). So the first decade would be from AD 1 to AD 10, the second decade from AD 11 to AD 20, and so on (and the same on the other direction, with a decade from 10 BC to 1 BC, another one from 20 BC to 11 BC, etc).
sm4rk0 7y ago
Re: billions of people being in majority ≠ being right
- ddevault 7y ago
  Language is defined by the majority.
  - warlog 7y ago
    This isn't an issue of language, it's a check on the internal consistency of a number system. No year zero and the decade starts next year are internally consistent. That most people think the decade started doesn't make it true, just like most people believing in God(tm) doesn't make it true.

stonogo 7y ago

The International Standards Organization has determined otherwise. See ISO 8601, section 3.1.2.22, which defines "decade" to mean "time scale unit (3.1.1.7) of 10 calendar years (3.1.2.21), beginning with a year whose year number is divisible without remainder by ten". https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en https://www.iso.org/obp/ui#iso:std:iso:8601:-1:ed-1:v1:en

emilfihlman 7y ago
This right here is the real answer.
brlewis 7y ago
As the link you provided acknowledges, "decade" and "century" describe a duration, not specific start times. They find it convenient for purposes of the ISO 8601 document to set the start of decades and centuries in a way that corresponds to portions of the way dates are represented. Outside the context of that document these definitions could cause problems. For example, no first century exists by that definition, since there was no year 0.
- robbrown451 7y ago
  Of course you are right regarding the first century. But when we get to later centuries, say the 18th century, we are as likely to describe it as "the 1700s", in which case, it seems that it should start at 1700, not 1701. And we certainly do that with decades (notwithstanding the hard-to-name last two decades). It is now the 20s. That's a decade. There are always going to be weird cases. If it is February 10th, and you say "one month from today," what is meant by that? 28 (or 29) days later, March 10? Or 30.4375 days later, plus or minus a day or two? And then you have days which are 23 or 25 hours long, because of Daylight Savings Time. (see all the potential for ambiguity with the word "day": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day) I personally think it makes the most sense to think of decades, centuries, and millennia starting when the number rolls over. When you find yourself in ambiguous territory (such as talking about the first century, and in a way it matters whether it is 99 or 100 years long), just take the extra effort to clarify. Most likely this will never come up except for a very small subset of people.

blendergeek 7y ago

Relevant XKCD: https://xkcd.com/2249/ https://xkcd.com/2249/

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