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The main advantage that keeps people using YouTube seems to be discoverability (and of course momentum). Would it be feasible to make a search engine that aggre

The main advantage that keeps people using YouTube seems to be discoverability (and of course momentum). Would it be feasible to make a search engine that aggregates across YouTube and some of these alternatives to facilitate gradual transitioning, or are there technical/policy limitations to doing that?

jakear 7y ago
Bing Videos already does something similar, where video results from a bunch of different sources are presented in their player, so you can get away with not actually knowing where your video is hosted.
mayeaux 7y ago
The goal here is to get enough of an OS community behind NodeTube that there are a lot of different sized instances out in the wild. At that point with ActivityPub the idea is to federate them and allow servers to index eachother's content, that's the vision at the moment.
redis_mlc 7y ago
I'm involved with some large youtube channels and wanted to comment on why Youtube works for content creators. There's 3 reasons why they like Youtube: 1. easy-to-use (free, no administration) 2. discoverability, though large channels already have a built-in audience that is self-viral! 3. monetization, typically $1k - $5k/million views/month (eligible above 10,000 subscribers for acceptable content) The downsides are: 1. "copyrights", which are mostly Youtube takedowns (seldom DMCA) 2. the sporadic nature of payments. You might get $0 next month, or $1000. Very mysterious, so creators rely on Patreon to pay their rent. 3. Occasionally your comments get disabled, related to "copyrights." Then you have to manually re-enable, which is a hassle for hundreds of videos. Oh, and your account could be deactivated at any time. :)
- dboreham 7y ago
  Also "demonetization" on the downsides.
- mayeaux 7y ago
  Honestly though there's something to be said for an up and coming platform. I mean I just uploaded some stupid video of Bill Gates and it is on the way to 2k views on NodeTube right now, I think there is a first-adopters bonus to being the first to adopt a new platform. And I have some good plans for monetization as well, really the big issue is breaking the monopoly YouTube has. Maybe once that happens they'll actually not treat their creators like crap which would be a win in and of itself.
  - LemonAndroid 7y ago
    I just uploaded porn. How will it be handled?
    - mayeaux 7y ago
      Did you see the comment I left? Porn is actually against the TOS, and this instance itself is going to be SFW only by the end of the night, just a heads up.
      - LemonAndroid 7y ago
        I didn't. Thanks for the reply.
        mayeaux 7y ago
        I don't mind if someone forks NodeTube and has a more permissive TOS but for this main node I want it to be pretty family friendly yknow just because it's really a proof of concept for the devs of the world at the moment a bit more than a filesharing site. And hey no problem.
- anderspitman 7y ago
  Monetization is a big deal, but I've got to believe it would be cheaper to cut out the ad middle men. If I could pay $0.5/mo to each of the ~20 channels I'm subscribed to on YT, I'd totally consider that (if adblock wasn't already doing the trick). Are ads still a better deal for the creators in a scenario like that?

jakear 7y ago

Bing Videos already does something similar, where video results from a bunch of different sources are presented in their player, so you can get away with not actually knowing where your video is hosted.

mayeaux 7y ago

The goal here is to get enough of an OS community behind NodeTube that there are a lot of different sized instances out in the wild. At that point with ActivityPub the idea is to federate them and allow servers to index eachother's content, that's the vision at the moment.

redis_mlc 7y ago

I'm involved with some large youtube channels and wanted to comment on why Youtube works for content creators. There's 3 reasons why they like Youtube: 1. easy-to-use (free, no administration) 2. discoverability, though large channels already have a built-in audience that is self-viral! 3. monetization, typically $1k - $5k/million views/month (eligible above 10,000 subscribers for acceptable content) The downsides are: 1. "copyrights", which are mostly Youtube takedowns (seldom DMCA) 2. the sporadic nature of payments. You might get $0 next month, or $1000. Very mysterious, so creators rely on Patreon to pay their rent. 3. Occasionally your comments get disabled, related to "copyrights." Then you have to manually re-enable, which is a hassle for hundreds of videos. Oh, and your account could be deactivated at any time. :)

dboreham 7y ago
Also "demonetization" on the downsides.
mayeaux 7y ago
Honestly though there's something to be said for an up and coming platform. I mean I just uploaded some stupid video of Bill Gates and it is on the way to 2k views on NodeTube right now, I think there is a first-adopters bonus to being the first to adopt a new platform. And I have some good plans for monetization as well, really the big issue is breaking the monopoly YouTube has. Maybe once that happens they'll actually not treat their creators like crap which would be a win in and of itself.
- LemonAndroid 7y ago
  I just uploaded porn. How will it be handled?
  - mayeaux 7y ago
    Did you see the comment I left? Porn is actually against the TOS, and this instance itself is going to be SFW only by the end of the night, just a heads up.
    - LemonAndroid 7y ago
      I didn't. Thanks for the reply.
      - mayeaux 7y ago
        I don't mind if someone forks NodeTube and has a more permissive TOS but for this main node I want it to be pretty family friendly yknow just because it's really a proof of concept for the devs of the world at the moment a bit more than a filesharing site. And hey no problem.
anderspitman 7y ago
Monetization is a big deal, but I've got to believe it would be cheaper to cut out the ad middle men. If I could pay $0.5/mo to each of the ~20 channels I'm subscribed to on YT, I'd totally consider that (if adblock wasn't already doing the trick). Are ads still a better deal for the creators in a scenario like that?