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It's not all or nothing privacy. If you give up Android/Google Play (and Facebook etc.) you have a much smaller exposure. Buy an iPhone or a Jolla (or, maybe i

It's not all or nothing privacy. If you give up Android/Google Play (and Facebook etc.) you have a much smaller exposure. Buy an iPhone or a Jolla (or, maybe in future, PinePhone or Librem). Then use Firefox with uBO, DuckDuckGo and Fastmail. And you have a much better privacy in 2020.

hindsightbias 7y ago
uBlock Origin is not on iOS. There is FF Focus, but not sure how much more secure that is.
- mumblemumble 7y ago
  Like every browser on iOS, it's basically a skin of Safari.
AlphaWeaver 7y ago
IIRC, you can't use uBO on Firefox on iOS, only on Android.
- skrowl 7y ago
  This is correct. Per App Store rules, all web browsers are basically just skins on top of WebKit. Not only can they not make extensions work like they can on other OSs, they also can't make their own HTML/CSS or JS engines. See 2.5.6 here - https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ Android has Firefox with many extensions, and Firefox variants such as Tor browser. iOS essentially has Safari or skinned Safari. (This may all change when they're forced via anti-trust rulings to allow 3rd party apps & stores on their devices, but those legal rulings may be years off).
morganvachon 7y ago
> Buy...a Jolla I would absolutely love to do this, but I live in the US. Recently I visited Jolla's website and was excited to see that they offer an officially supported installation for Sony Xperia 10 and XA2 phones. I found several listings for those devices on eBay, got really excited, and almost pulled the trigger on one. I went back and read the fine print on the Jolla site and discovered that they won't sell the OS to you or allow you to download the free version if you live outside the EU, Switzerland, and Norway. It's so frustrating that there is a total lockout in the US when it comes to smartphone OSes; I have a Lumia 830 sitting in a drawer I'd be fine with using but since Microsoft officially dropped support it has developed issues that prevent it from being a daily driver. Besides, Microsoft's track record on privacy is hardly better than Google's. For now I can either carry a dumbphone and a separate smart device like the Gemini PDA running Linux, or just continue using my increasingly slow and glitchy iPhone 7 (I don't want face recognition or a notched display, so I refuse to upgrade to the X and beyond, and the 8 is still too expensive to justify such a minor upgrade). I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to buy a PinePhone (fuck Librem and their constant deception around their products), and if it works out as a daily driver I'm all in.
- chappi42 7y ago
  Maybe ask on 'together.jolla.com' about buying from the States? IIRC I read about people buying Sailfish from not officially supported countries. Make sure that the provided bands match what you have available. Edit: didn't find much about US: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:age-desc/tags:usa/page:1/ https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:age-desc...

hindsightbias 7y ago

uBlock Origin is not on iOS. There is FF Focus, but not sure how much more secure that is.

mumblemumble 7y ago
Like every browser on iOS, it's basically a skin of Safari.

AlphaWeaver 7y ago

IIRC, you can't use uBO on Firefox on iOS, only on Android.

skrowl 7y ago
This is correct. Per App Store rules, all web browsers are basically just skins on top of WebKit. Not only can they not make extensions work like they can on other OSs, they also can't make their own HTML/CSS or JS engines. See 2.5.6 here - https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/ Android has Firefox with many extensions, and Firefox variants such as Tor browser. iOS essentially has Safari or skinned Safari. (This may all change when they're forced via anti-trust rulings to allow 3rd party apps & stores on their devices, but those legal rulings may be years off).

morganvachon 7y ago

> Buy...a Jolla I would absolutely love to do this, but I live in the US. Recently I visited Jolla's website and was excited to see that they offer an officially supported installation for Sony Xperia 10 and XA2 phones. I found several listings for those devices on eBay, got really excited, and almost pulled the trigger on one. I went back and read the fine print on the Jolla site and discovered that they won't sell the OS to you or allow you to download the free version if you live outside the EU, Switzerland, and Norway. It's so frustrating that there is a total lockout in the US when it comes to smartphone OSes; I have a Lumia 830 sitting in a drawer I'd be fine with using but since Microsoft officially dropped support it has developed issues that prevent it from being a daily driver. Besides, Microsoft's track record on privacy is hardly better than Google's. For now I can either carry a dumbphone and a separate smart device like the Gemini PDA running Linux, or just continue using my increasingly slow and glitchy iPhone 7 (I don't want face recognition or a notched display, so I refuse to upgrade to the X and beyond, and the 8 is still too expensive to justify such a minor upgrade). I am eagerly awaiting the opportunity to buy a PinePhone (fuck Librem and their constant deception around their products), and if it works out as a daily driver I'm all in.

chappi42 7y ago
Maybe ask on 'together.jolla.com' about buying from the States? IIRC I read about people buying Sailfish from not officially supported countries. Make sure that the provided bands match what you have available. Edit: didn't find much about US: https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:age-desc/tags:usa/page:1/ https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:age-desc...