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I hate iOS but good god android is awful! I bought a cheap one on new years to use as a balloon tracker (GPS boards are expensive so it seemed like a good idea.

by swiley 7y ago

I hate iOS but good god android is awful! I bought a cheap one on new years to use as a balloon tracker (GPS boards are expensive so it seemed like a good idea.) There are absolutely no diagnostics, every setting (including critical ones) seems to move around between OS updates. They’re constantly breaking things you actually need (termux API is missing half of what’s useful and silently fails on most things now) while still letting malware installed by manufacturers through. I think when I first connected the phone to a network it pulled down ~1Gb of shovelware including facebook. Thankfully it was on WiFi since I didn’t want to use up the data until we launched the balloon. This of course never worked. It was able to connect and use data for about 30 minutes, I’m not sure what we did to make it work but it randomly stopped after that. Mobile OSes need to die, they don’t help people they’re just another tool for corporations to push users through confusing broken mazes in order to manipulate them.

frou_dh 7y ago
I've found some iOS apps tremendously useful over the years, so no, I'll pass on your hangup condemning all Mobile OSes to death.
- chacha2 7y ago
  Which ones?
emodendroket 7y ago
I dunno, I find Android more obvious than iOS, but it seems pretty obvious it's because I've used one more than the other.
jblz 7y ago
> "android is awful!" ... "I bought a cheap one" Nothing like condemning the entirety of a thing based on a single limited intentionally-bottom-of-the-barrel experience!
- tcd 7y ago
  Android is awful regardless of device you buy. Google's control is an absolute disaster for an OS. If Google is involved, expect 0 privacy.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  A cheap device would deliver lower performance, but that doesn't explain the poor OS design issues. I used to be quite a fan of Android, but even as performance has improved other things have gotten worse. I don't like the Apple ecosystem either so perhaps I will be a customer for the Pine phone as my app needs are quite limited.
  - d1zzy 7y ago
    > A cheap device would deliver lower performance That's one way to lower price, but in an industry of razor sharp hardware returns if you really want to make something cheap you do it by getting money from services and if those "services" include interest based advertising then it's even better. Just look at why all modern TVs are "smart TVs" and default (often hard to disable) "call home" tracking features.
- freehunter 7y ago
  This is one thing I don't understand about the Android ecosystem... Android fans like to point out that you have a choice of phone price points from $100 up to $1000, where on Apple devices it's generally $600 to $1000. But if you actually buy one of those $100 phones and have a problem with it, the first response is always "well yeah that's what you get for buying a cheap phone". Seems like an illusion of choice if you're guaranteed a working phone only if you buy the latest $1000 Samsung flagship.
  - Open-Sourcery 7y ago
    Smartphones are like many other technology products. Yes, you can get the cheapest one available but it will be total garbage or you could spend another $100 or so and get a pretty decent phone. Going beyond this point you get diminishing returns, is spending another $700-800 really worth it for a better camera, a faster CPU/GPU and a screen with a bit better colour when all you do is watch Youtube videos and browse facebook/instagram/whatever other social media?

by swiley 7y ago

frou_dh 7y ago

I've found some iOS apps tremendously useful over the years, so no, I'll pass on your hangup condemning all Mobile OSes to death.

chacha2 7y ago
Which ones?

emodendroket 7y ago

I dunno, I find Android more obvious than iOS, but it seems pretty obvious it's because I've used one more than the other.

jblz 7y ago

> "android is awful!" ... "I bought a cheap one" Nothing like condemning the entirety of a thing based on a single limited intentionally-bottom-of-the-barrel experience!

tcd 7y ago
Android is awful regardless of device you buy. Google's control is an absolute disaster for an OS. If Google is involved, expect 0 privacy.
anigbrowl 7y ago
A cheap device would deliver lower performance, but that doesn't explain the poor OS design issues. I used to be quite a fan of Android, but even as performance has improved other things have gotten worse. I don't like the Apple ecosystem either so perhaps I will be a customer for the Pine phone as my app needs are quite limited.
- d1zzy 7y ago
  > A cheap device would deliver lower performance That's one way to lower price, but in an industry of razor sharp hardware returns if you really want to make something cheap you do it by getting money from services and if those "services" include interest based advertising then it's even better. Just look at why all modern TVs are "smart TVs" and default (often hard to disable) "call home" tracking features.
freehunter 7y ago
This is one thing I don't understand about the Android ecosystem... Android fans like to point out that you have a choice of phone price points from $100 up to $1000, where on Apple devices it's generally $600 to $1000. But if you actually buy one of those $100 phones and have a problem with it, the first response is always "well yeah that's what you get for buying a cheap phone". Seems like an illusion of choice if you're guaranteed a working phone only if you buy the latest $1000 Samsung flagship.
- Open-Sourcery 7y ago
  Smartphones are like many other technology products. Yes, you can get the cheapest one available but it will be total garbage or you could spend another $100 or so and get a pretty decent phone. Going beyond this point you get diminishing returns, is spending another $700-800 really worth it for a better camera, a faster CPU/GPU and a screen with a bit better colour when all you do is watch Youtube videos and browse facebook/instagram/whatever other social media?