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The Taycan seems a huge success. The reviews are extremely positive (many pointing how much better it's put together than the Teslas) and production has been do

The Taycan seems a huge success. The reviews are extremely positive (many pointing how much better it's put together than the Teslas) and production has been doubled to cope with the high amount of reservations https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservations-surpass-30000-ahead-of-world-debut/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservation...

pmorici 7y ago
That article was written before two key events that have probably taken a lot of the shine off. First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Second the official EPA range rating was released and it came in a third less than expected. Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. [0] https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimate/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimat... [1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-new-record/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-ne...
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Hrm, does the Model S Plaid come with a free tow truck or is that an optional extra: https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-broken-down-tesla-model-s-prototype-at-the-nurburgring https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-brok... > Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. Are they? Let's see what actual Taycan owners think about it so far: https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner-says-cars-epa-range-is-highly-conservative/ https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner... And let's see what the performance is like compared to a Model S: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-beat-a-tesla-model-s-p100d-in-a-drag-race https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ But don't worry about it. There's a number of EVs which outperform Teslas.
- marticode 7y ago
  I think you overestimate the importance of the EPA rating for a worldwide vehicle (Europeans really don't care about the EPA for ex). The reviews are overwhelmingly positive and full of superlatives - this is the true "high end electric car" to beat now. Yes Tesla might tweak the Model S to make it a bit faster, and it's significantly cheaper, but it also feels significantly cheaper to sit in and drive, and it's unlikely to magically improve tomorrow because Porsche has had decades of refining those qualities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vq6KEOIiMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vq6KEOIiMg
  - pmorici 7y ago
    The EPA rating of electric vehicle range more accurately represents highway driving range than the WLTP rating which is geared toward stop and go city driving. Hence if you are doing long distance trips on the highway the EPA rating will more accurately represent your real life experience. For those used to gas mileage being worse in cities and better on highways with gas cars electric cars are largely opposite. Lower speeds use less energy in general. [0] https://insideevs.com/news/365941/what-car-different-results-epa/ https://insideevs.com/news/365941/what-car-different-results...

pmorici 7y ago

That article was written before two key events that have probably taken a lot of the shine off. First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Second the official EPA range rating was released and it came in a third less than expected. Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. [0] https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimate/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimat... [1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-new-record/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-ne...

clouddrover 7y ago
> First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Hrm, does the Model S Plaid come with a free tow truck or is that an optional extra: https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-broken-down-tesla-model-s-prototype-at-the-nurburgring https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-brok... > Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. Are they? Let's see what actual Taycan owners think about it so far: https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner-says-cars-epa-range-is-highly-conservative/ https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner... And let's see what the performance is like compared to a Model S: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-beat-a-tesla-model-s-p100d-in-a-drag-race https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ But don't worry about it. There's a number of EVs which outperform Teslas.
marticode 7y ago
I think you overestimate the importance of the EPA rating for a worldwide vehicle (Europeans really don't care about the EPA for ex). The reviews are overwhelmingly positive and full of superlatives - this is the true "high end electric car" to beat now. Yes Tesla might tweak the Model S to make it a bit faster, and it's significantly cheaper, but it also feels significantly cheaper to sit in and drive, and it's unlikely to magically improve tomorrow because Porsche has had decades of refining those qualities. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vq6KEOIiMg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vq6KEOIiMg
- pmorici 7y ago
  The EPA rating of electric vehicle range more accurately represents highway driving range than the WLTP rating which is geared toward stop and go city driving. Hence if you are doing long distance trips on the highway the EPA rating will more accurately represent your real life experience. For those used to gas mileage being worse in cities and better on highways with gas cars electric cars are largely opposite. Lower speeds use less energy in general. [0] https://insideevs.com/news/365941/what-car-different-results-epa/ https://insideevs.com/news/365941/what-car-different-results...