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I'd be interested for someone to start or point out a list of IP thefts in some timeline table in Wikipedia much like the list of soviet defectors https://en.wi

I'd be interested for someone to start or point out a list of IP thefts in some timeline table in Wikipedia much like the list of soviet defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...

sandworm101 7y ago
Defection is easy to define. You once worked for the CIA, now you are working for the KGB. IP "theft" is more nebulous. There is lots of debate as to what is protected intellectual property, what is open source, what is common knowledge, and even which IP law governs the situation. Does every leaked copy of a Hollywood movie qualify as a theft? Some of those movies are worth hundreds of millions and their leak can cost millions in reduced ticket sales. That's a form of both copyright and trade secret theft. Or are we only talking about patented material, which is public? It's very hard to determine what should and shouldn't be on that list.
knzhou 7y ago
The line between IP theft and literally just learning things gets very blurred in the sciences. Under some people's vague standards, I commit IP theft every time I take notes in a lecture, or apply knowledge I've learned elsewhere. Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here?
- haecceity 7y ago
  Clearly it depends if you're Chinese or not.
- sandworm101 7y ago
  >> Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here? Exactly. Math has in the past been classified as an export-controlled 'munition'. No matter where you learned it, a US citizen could be arrested for talking about it outside of the US. People were printing it on t-shirts and in books as a form of free speech protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars "the encryption technology (techniques as well as equipment and, after computers became important, crypto software) was included as a Category XIII item into the United States Munitions List." And see the Free Speech Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Flag
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here? The concept of “where” you do or have a thing is well enshrined in law. Here for example knives that are perfectly legal to possess in your kitchen become illegal if you were to walk down the street holding one. It’s exactly the same with some forms of IP, these are often called “dual use” in legal terminology.

sandworm101 7y ago

Defection is easy to define. You once worked for the CIA, now you are working for the KGB. IP "theft" is more nebulous. There is lots of debate as to what is protected intellectual property, what is open source, what is common knowledge, and even which IP law governs the situation. Does every leaked copy of a Hollywood movie qualify as a theft? Some of those movies are worth hundreds of millions and their leak can cost millions in reduced ticket sales. That's a form of both copyright and trade secret theft. Or are we only talking about patented material, which is public? It's very hard to determine what should and shouldn't be on that list.

knzhou 7y ago

The line between IP theft and literally just learning things gets very blurred in the sciences. Under some people's vague standards, I commit IP theft every time I take notes in a lecture, or apply knowledge I've learned elsewhere. Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here?

haecceity 7y ago
Clearly it depends if you're Chinese or not.
sandworm101 7y ago
>> Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here? Exactly. Math has in the past been classified as an export-controlled 'munition'. No matter where you learned it, a US citizen could be arrested for talking about it outside of the US. People were printing it on t-shirts and in books as a form of free speech protest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_Wars "the encryption technology (techniques as well as equipment and, after computers became important, crypto software) was included as a Category XIII item into the United States Munitions List." And see the Free Speech Flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Flag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Speech_Flag
goatinaboat 7y ago
Am I not supposed to use calculus outside of the United States if I learned it while living here? The concept of “where” you do or have a thing is well enshrined in law. Here for example knives that are perfectly legal to possess in your kitchen become illegal if you were to walk down the street holding one. It’s exactly the same with some forms of IP, these are often called “dual use” in legal terminology.