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Taycan and e-tron are both huge flops so far and the ID.3 is off to a bad start as there are reports that they are having massive problems with the cars softwar

Taycan and e-tron are both huge flops so far and the ID.3 is off to a bad start as there are reports that they are having massive problems with the cars software and are literally building the cars and plan to store them in a lot for a year while they sort out the software issues. https://electrek.co/2019/12/19/volkswagen-id3-has-massive-software-problems-as-company-begins-year-of-ev-introductions/ https://electrek.co/2019/12/19/volkswagen-id3-has-massive-so...

clouddrover 7y ago
Is it? Then why is the Audi e-tron outselling the Tesla Model X in Europe: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.html https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.h...
- pmorici 7y ago
  Spec wise etron competes against Model 3 and up coming Model Y not Model X. Large cars and SUVs like S and X don’t have a big market in Europe
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    No, that's just making excuses. The Audi e-tron is in no way aimed at the same segment as the Model 3. The Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-Pace both outsell the Model X and the Model S in Europe. The e-tron and the I-Pace are doing well for what they are: expensive luxury vehicles.
    - pmorici 7y ago
      Model S and X sales were substantially higher then etron is now before the the Model 3 was introduced.
marticode 7y ago
The Taycan seems a huge success. The reviews are extremely positive (many pointing how much better it's put together than the Teslas) and production has been doubled to cope with the high amount of reservations https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservations-surpass-30000-ahead-of-world-debut/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservation...
- pmorici 7y ago
  That article was written before two key events that have probably taken a lot of the shine off. First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Second the official EPA range rating was released and it came in a third less than expected. Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. [0] https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimate/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimat... [1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-new-record/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-ne...
  - clouddrover 7y ago
    > First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Hrm, does the Model S Plaid come with a free tow truck or is that an optional extra: https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-broken-down-tesla-model-s-prototype-at-the-nurburgring https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-brok... > Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. Are they? Let's see what actual Taycan owners think about it so far: https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner-says-cars-epa-range-is-highly-conservative/ https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner... And let's see what the performance is like compared to a Model S: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-beat-a-tesla-model-s-p100d-in-a-drag-race https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ But don't worry about it. There's a number of EVs which outperform Teslas.
  - 7y ago
pgeorgi 7y ago
> there are reports that they are having massive problems with the cars software and are literally building the cars and plan to store them in a lot for a year while they sort out the software issues The plan to pre-build several parking lots full of cars before starting to sell predates the issues they face with the software. It was probably made with "let's catch any issues before delivery" in mind (which now paid off), but it's also because VW isn't a company that creates hype through limited availability and pre-orders: once the model is brought to market, you're supposed to be able to go the store and get a car in a few days or weeks. Given that their previous models were quite software-heavy already, it's not as if this is the first time they have to bring software onto devices. I have no idea how often similar issues happened in previous roll-outs, but this is certainly the most closely watched VW model ramp-up in decades because of the novelty of them going all-in on EV.

clouddrover 7y ago

Is it? Then why is the Audi e-tron outselling the Tesla Model X in Europe: https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.html https://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/12/europe-november-2019.h...

pmorici 7y ago
Spec wise etron competes against Model 3 and up coming Model Y not Model X. Large cars and SUVs like S and X don’t have a big market in Europe
- clouddrover 7y ago
  No, that's just making excuses. The Audi e-tron is in no way aimed at the same segment as the Model 3. The Audi e-tron and the Jaguar I-Pace both outsell the Model X and the Model S in Europe. The e-tron and the I-Pace are doing well for what they are: expensive luxury vehicles.
  - pmorici 7y ago
    Model S and X sales were substantially higher then etron is now before the the Model 3 was introduced.

marticode 7y ago

The Taycan seems a huge success. The reviews are extremely positive (many pointing how much better it's put together than the Teslas) and production has been doubled to cope with the high amount of reservations https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservations-surpass-30000-ahead-of-world-debut/ https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/porsche-taycan-reservation...

pmorici 7y ago
That article was written before two key events that have probably taken a lot of the shine off. First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Second the official EPA range rating was released and it came in a third less than expected. Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. [0] https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimate/ https://www.engadget.com/2019/12/11/taycan-turbo-epa-estimat... [1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-new-record/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-s-plaid-nurburgring-ne...
- clouddrover 7y ago
  > First Tesla's Model S Plaid edition was announced and seen racing around the Nurburgring. Hrm, does the Model S Plaid come with a free tow truck or is that an optional extra: https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-broken-down-tesla-model-s-prototype-at-the-nurburgring https://www.thedrive.com/news/29946/porsche-taycan-laps-brok... > Those reservation holders who's commitment so far is only a ~$3k refundable deposit are going to have second thoughts. Are they? Let's see what actual Taycan owners think about it so far: https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner-says-cars-epa-range-is-highly-conservative/ https://electrek.co/2019/12/21/first-us-porsche-taycan-owner... And let's see what the performance is like compared to a Model S: https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-turbo-s-beat-a-tesla-model-s-p100d-in-a-drag-race https://www.thedrive.com/news/30467/watch-a-porsche-taycan-t... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uum9nffLasQ But don't worry about it. There's a number of EVs which outperform Teslas.
- 7y ago

pgeorgi 7y ago

> there are reports that they are having massive problems with the cars software and are literally building the cars and plan to store them in a lot for a year while they sort out the software issues The plan to pre-build several parking lots full of cars before starting to sell predates the issues they face with the software. It was probably made with "let's catch any issues before delivery" in mind (which now paid off), but it's also because VW isn't a company that creates hype through limited availability and pre-orders: once the model is brought to market, you're supposed to be able to go the store and get a car in a few days or weeks. Given that their previous models were quite software-heavy already, it's not as if this is the first time they have to bring software onto devices. I have no idea how often similar issues happened in previous roll-outs, but this is certainly the most closely watched VW model ramp-up in decades because of the novelty of them going all-in on EV.