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I've come to accept that there is no good OS (maybe iOS, but not really). You're just picking your poison. Want to be spied on and have your system slowly accu

by _bxg1 7y ago

I've come to accept that there is no good OS (maybe iOS, but not really). You're just picking your poison. Want to be spied on and have your system slowly accumulate cruft and grind to a halt over the course of a few years? Use Windows. Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running on a day to day basis? Use Linux. Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Want to pay a bunch of extra money and still deal with a decent number of bugs¹ and atrocious default settings/annoying user-protection features you have to turn off? Use macOS. ¹All of them are riddled with bugs

stinos 7y ago
This is fairly spot on though a bit overly generalizing perhaps (e.g. might be me, but 8 years of Win7 on work machine and it's still running completely ok and depending on what exactly you use Linux for there's only moderate amounts of fiddling, though fiddling there is :) I've used and still use all the major OS. There's no silver bullet and there's bugs everywhere, one more annoying than the other. Learning to use them properly (yes that sometimes means finding ways around annoyances) goes a very long way though.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  On a long term Win install traditionally you have to pay attention to disk space, backups of patches pile up in the system folder until the disk is almost full. Which leads to more fragmentation, which leads to slowdowns. Which leads to anger and fear, then the dark side. Has this been finally fixed?
  - stinos 7y ago
    As far as I'm aware Disk Cleanup gets rid of those backups. But this is a long term install and was properly planned to be one, so I started with plenty of disk space.
kardos 7y ago
> Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running? Use Linux. This may have been true 10+ years ago; the amount of fiddling required is pretty low these days.
- _bxg1 7y ago
  I tried ~3 years ago, vanilla Ubuntu. Still enough fiddling that I had trouble focusing on my actual projects. At least there's decent app support now thanks to Electron.
- CodeWriter23 7y ago
  Until you want the latest version of some package like PostgreSQL that isn’t in the yum/apt repos, and then some time after that you have to upgrade the base os to plug new security holes.
  - request_id 7y ago
    Run postgres in a container
    - CodeWriter23 7y ago
      Thanks for your input. So I recently looked at Vagrant and Docker and it seemed kind of like a deep dive and I couldn’t find any Clif notes. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks.
- Aardwolf 7y ago
  I actually remember myself having to fiddle more with Windows than with Linux, in the Windows XP days. Windows would always invent some reason to require some reboot, or get random corrupted system files, or vcredist incompatibilities, or failed attempts at auto updates, or reinstall drivers for the mouse you just unplugged and plugged in a different USB port, or I don't remember what else it was with it all the time. Linux (at least Archlinux) doesn't require much once you install it, are happy with the set-up and regularly update it. Unless you're the kind of person who likes tweaking their Linux and trying out many distros, but if you do that means you like fidding with your system :) I personally just like an Archlinux installation that stays stable for 5+ years and actually use it.
ogre_codes 7y ago
If there were a proper framework for doing web development on iPadOS, I'd switch to using my iPad for a big chunk of my development. It's getting very close but still falls a bit short.
itvision 7y ago
MacOS looks like the best poison.
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- m463 7y ago
  Actually, even with apple's proclamation that "privacy is a right", macos phones home all the time too. ios compounds this by removing any real insight or control over your device or apps.
  - jki275 7y ago
    What do you mean by this? I have just as much control over my device and my applications on OSX as I do on any other OS.
viraptor 7y ago
> Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Most of the spying is done by phone apps. This affects iOS and Android in the same way in recent versions. The extra bit that gets sent to Google directly seems like a small part of it.
- Lammy 7y ago
  It sounds like they were referring more to the difficulty of getting timely Android updates—or getting them at all—depending on device.
- chispamed 7y ago
  In my experience it’s easier to manage permissions on iOS and it’s easier to see which apps used them. So while app vendors probably try to include the same spying software on both platforms I’m able to restrict their data access in a more straightforward way on iOS.
m463 7y ago
With all the promise of computers being erased over the last few years I've always thought: this is a market opportunity. But nobody has stepped up to the plate.
c2the3rd 7y ago
Just because some Linux users do that does not mean it is a requirement. If it were, Linux could never have achieved server the server dominance it has. Fiddling is a side effect of Linux being too flexible, so you always have the nagging feeling you could be better with a different distro/window manager/shell/editor/file manager. I installed Linux Mint on my parents' computer and it's been running rock solid for three years. And they appreciate not being tricked into updates they don't want.
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lotsofpulp 7y ago
For 95% of people that want to do what they want to do and not worry about malware or other nonsense? Use macOS/iOS. The little bit of extra money is well worth the time saved.
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  iOS: You'll still have a really hard time doing anything related to files, by design. Oh and didn't have a dark theme until VERSION 13! Sheesh.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    And yet even though a perfectly usable Windows 10 computer which they used for years is available, my parents have not touched it in years after getting iPads and iPhones.
mixmastamyk 7y ago
Yes, though I don't fiddle with things much day to day with Linux any more. But I'll tell you what does happen: CADT and shit just randomly breaking from release to release. Fewer things work than did ten years ago as well. Right now I have gargantuan indicator icons in my Ubuntu Mate panels. They worked fine for the last ten years previously. But here we go on 19.10. Has something to do with my 4k monitors but as mentioned, worked fine until this release.

by _bxg1 7y ago

stinos 7y ago

This is fairly spot on though a bit overly generalizing perhaps (e.g. might be me, but 8 years of Win7 on work machine and it's still running completely ok and depending on what exactly you use Linux for there's only moderate amounts of fiddling, though fiddling there is :) I've used and still use all the major OS. There's no silver bullet and there's bugs everywhere, one more annoying than the other. Learning to use them properly (yes that sometimes means finding ways around annoyances) goes a very long way though.

mixmastamyk 7y ago
On a long term Win install traditionally you have to pay attention to disk space, backups of patches pile up in the system folder until the disk is almost full. Which leads to more fragmentation, which leads to slowdowns. Which leads to anger and fear, then the dark side. Has this been finally fixed?
- stinos 7y ago
  As far as I'm aware Disk Cleanup gets rid of those backups. But this is a long term install and was properly planned to be one, so I started with plenty of disk space.

kardos 7y ago

> Want to be constantly fiddling with your system just to keep it running? Use Linux. This may have been true 10+ years ago; the amount of fiddling required is pretty low these days.

_bxg1 7y ago
I tried ~3 years ago, vanilla Ubuntu. Still enough fiddling that I had trouble focusing on my actual projects. At least there's decent app support now thanks to Electron.
CodeWriter23 7y ago
Until you want the latest version of some package like PostgreSQL that isn’t in the yum/apt repos, and then some time after that you have to upgrade the base os to plug new security holes.
- request_id 7y ago
  Run postgres in a container
  - CodeWriter23 7y ago
    Thanks for your input. So I recently looked at Vagrant and Docker and it seemed kind of like a deep dive and I couldn’t find any Clif notes. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks.
Aardwolf 7y ago
I actually remember myself having to fiddle more with Windows than with Linux, in the Windows XP days. Windows would always invent some reason to require some reboot, or get random corrupted system files, or vcredist incompatibilities, or failed attempts at auto updates, or reinstall drivers for the mouse you just unplugged and plugged in a different USB port, or I don't remember what else it was with it all the time. Linux (at least Archlinux) doesn't require much once you install it, are happy with the set-up and regularly update it. Unless you're the kind of person who likes tweaking their Linux and trying out many distros, but if you do that means you like fidding with your system :) I personally just like an Archlinux installation that stays stable for 5+ years and actually use it.

ogre_codes 7y ago

If there were a proper framework for doing web development on iPadOS, I'd switch to using my iPad for a big chunk of my development. It's getting very close but still falls a bit short.

itvision 7y ago

MacOS looks like the best poison.

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m463 7y ago
Actually, even with apple's proclamation that "privacy is a right", macos phones home all the time too. ios compounds this by removing any real insight or control over your device or apps.
- jki275 7y ago
  What do you mean by this? I have just as much control over my device and my applications on OSX as I do on any other OS.

viraptor 7y ago

> Want to be constantly spied on and probably also hacked? Use Android. Most of the spying is done by phone apps. This affects iOS and Android in the same way in recent versions. The extra bit that gets sent to Google directly seems like a small part of it.

Lammy 7y ago
It sounds like they were referring more to the difficulty of getting timely Android updates—or getting them at all—depending on device.
chispamed 7y ago
In my experience it’s easier to manage permissions on iOS and it’s easier to see which apps used them. So while app vendors probably try to include the same spying software on both platforms I’m able to restrict their data access in a more straightforward way on iOS.

m463 7y ago

With all the promise of computers being erased over the last few years I've always thought: this is a market opportunity. But nobody has stepped up to the plate.

c2the3rd 7y ago

Just because some Linux users do that does not mean it is a requirement. If it were, Linux could never have achieved server the server dominance it has. Fiddling is a side effect of Linux being too flexible, so you always have the nagging feeling you could be better with a different distro/window manager/shell/editor/file manager. I installed Linux Mint on my parents' computer and it's been running rock solid for three years. And they appreciate not being tricked into updates they don't want.

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lotsofpulp 7y ago

For 95% of people that want to do what they want to do and not worry about malware or other nonsense? Use macOS/iOS. The little bit of extra money is well worth the time saved.

mixmastamyk 7y ago
iOS: You'll still have a really hard time doing anything related to files, by design. Oh and didn't have a dark theme until VERSION 13! Sheesh.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  And yet even though a perfectly usable Windows 10 computer which they used for years is available, my parents have not touched it in years after getting iPads and iPhones.

mixmastamyk 7y ago

Yes, though I don't fiddle with things much day to day with Linux any more. But I'll tell you what does happen: CADT and shit just randomly breaking from release to release. Fewer things work than did ten years ago as well. Right now I have gargantuan indicator icons in my Ubuntu Mate panels. They worked fine for the last ten years previously. But here we go on 19.10. Has something to do with my 4k monitors but as mentioned, worked fine until this release.