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First, it didn't die, it attenuated. It's still there. Even Gopher is still there. Second, when one says, "we did nothing", well, speak for yourself, eh? Lo

First, it didn't die, it attenuated. It's still there. Even Gopher is still there. Second, when one says, "we did nothing", well, speak for yourself, eh? Lots of people did a lot of things and are still doing them. But the normals do not care. It's that simple: apathy and complacency (the twins demons of our New Age) and a good stiff whollop of ignorance. (Over a billion people don't know that Facebook isn't the Internet! Chew on that.) Meanwhile, you know who didn't lose all their content? This guy. Because backups. (Another thing normals try not to think about.) I've been saying for years now that the world is bifurcating into Eloi and Morlocks. This is "victim" blaming, yeah, but in this case IMO the "victims" are to blame: no one's forcing people to be Eloi. If you care about your digital shit, back it the frak up already. (E.g. Tarsnap, Amazon Glacier, a box of DVDs!?)

krapp 7y ago
>Over a billion people don't know that Facebook isn't the Internet! Chew on that While that's a common axiom bandied about on HN, as is your general tone of condescension towards "the normals" (Eloi and Morlocks, seriously? You know the Eloi were the villains, right?) I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists.
- mrmuagi 7y ago
  I'm utterly confused. Why is your reply so combative? I just read the Wikipedia entry on Eloi and Morlocks and I don't even see how you could pick apart OP's on this item. Consider this odd line: > The Eloi are herded, bred and maintained by the Morlocks as a food source, much like cows or pigs are today. Right. I've got no dog in the ol' Eloi vs. Morlocks debate, but let me apologize, I do not want to appear as an Eloi sympathizer in you presence -- or even risk taking any creative analogy (for one even I am glad to have made aware of, as my reading list ever grows), lest you accuse my tone against a fictional race as you are surely itching to -- as demonstrated prior. Nonsense aside. > I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists. Well if we're exchange common things bandied about on HN... Let's take a glaring example here. The above is an opinion presented with uttermost confidence about groups of users and their knowledge -- all in the presence of zero evidence. Hah, take that! Wait, how many does it take to tango? It is a personal anecdote and long held opinion of mine that although the ease of access towards the internet, and therefore availability of, has increased, the technical chops of the general population may not be spread equally -- perhaps the unfairest of this is on the age variable with retired seniors not being able to get around much without help. I have helped old people with this matter, so I experience this sometimes. Perhaps I agree with OP on this, that they don't know the web really exists, and it's all a Cumulus cloud to them and I'm the wizard handles those unknowns for them. And I can take a step back and say, its alright that not a lot of people know https vs. http, or yada yada and perhaps on that point I differ from some opinions on HN, but I don't think you understand how oblivious people can be to the internet. I fear you will accuse my tone of condescension towards "retired seniors" and must now stop lest I dig myself any further. It was all fun and games with the fictional humans...
- carapace 7y ago
  I was about to go on a bit of a rant about my general tone of condescension but I caught myself. I'll tell a joke instead. "You know how stupid the average person is, yeah? Well, by definition, half of them are dumber than that." > I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists. I wish there was a way to make a bet on that because I'd like to take your money. > You know the Eloi were the villains, right? Are you sure? The Eloi were the innocent beautiful idiot surface dwellers, the Morlocks were the grotesque cannibal machine-tenders, eh? My metaphor is that tech-elites (myself somewhat included) are the Morlocks and the users are Eloi.
LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago
Need to jump to another, diverging timeline, Morlocks fugly, Elois sexy :-)

krapp 7y ago

>Over a billion people don't know that Facebook isn't the Internet! Chew on that While that's a common axiom bandied about on HN, as is your general tone of condescension towards "the normals" (Eloi and Morlocks, seriously? You know the Eloi were the villains, right?) I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists.

mrmuagi 7y ago
I'm utterly confused. Why is your reply so combative? I just read the Wikipedia entry on Eloi and Morlocks and I don't even see how you could pick apart OP's on this item. Consider this odd line: > The Eloi are herded, bred and maintained by the Morlocks as a food source, much like cows or pigs are today. Right. I've got no dog in the ol' Eloi vs. Morlocks debate, but let me apologize, I do not want to appear as an Eloi sympathizer in you presence -- or even risk taking any creative analogy (for one even I am glad to have made aware of, as my reading list ever grows), lest you accuse my tone against a fictional race as you are surely itching to -- as demonstrated prior. Nonsense aside. > I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists. Well if we're exchange common things bandied about on HN... Let's take a glaring example here. The above is an opinion presented with uttermost confidence about groups of users and their knowledge -- all in the presence of zero evidence. Hah, take that! Wait, how many does it take to tango? It is a personal anecdote and long held opinion of mine that although the ease of access towards the internet, and therefore availability of, has increased, the technical chops of the general population may not be spread equally -- perhaps the unfairest of this is on the age variable with retired seniors not being able to get around much without help. I have helped old people with this matter, so I experience this sometimes. Perhaps I agree with OP on this, that they don't know the web really exists, and it's all a Cumulus cloud to them and I'm the wizard handles those unknowns for them. And I can take a step back and say, its alright that not a lot of people know https vs. http, or yada yada and perhaps on that point I differ from some opinions on HN, but I don't think you understand how oblivious people can be to the internet. I fear you will accuse my tone of condescension towards "retired seniors" and must now stop lest I dig myself any further. It was all fun and games with the fictional humans...
carapace 7y ago
I was about to go on a bit of a rant about my general tone of condescension but I caught myself. I'll tell a joke instead. "You know how stupid the average person is, yeah? Well, by definition, half of them are dumber than that." > I'm certain that practically no one who uses Facebook is actually unaware that the rest of the web exists. I wish there was a way to make a bet on that because I'd like to take your money. > You know the Eloi were the villains, right? Are you sure? The Eloi were the innocent beautiful idiot surface dwellers, the Morlocks were the grotesque cannibal machine-tenders, eh? My metaphor is that tech-elites (myself somewhat included) are the Morlocks and the users are Eloi.

LargoLasskhyfv 7y ago

Need to jump to another, diverging timeline, Morlocks fugly, Elois sexy :-)