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Considering that he fled, I think we can at least say that the Japanese system was correct and accurate in assessing that Ghosn was a flight risk.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
That said, I always wonder why people don't abscond more often when facing charges that will see them jailed for the rest of their lives. I suppose it's more likely than not that he did at least some of the dirt he's accused of. But from his personal perspective, the choices are the life of a fugitive and the life of a prisoner (in Japan, no less, which is famous for its harsh treatment of prisoners). For me, the choice would be obvious.
- dnskxbzj 7y ago
  You give our word not to flee. For some of us the dishonor for breaking our word is worse than being jailed unjustly. Besides, liberal freeing society collapses if we cannot or will not hold people to their word, replaced by totalitarianism.
  - keiferski 7y ago
    And what happens when the government doesn’t stick to their word? Nothing. Asymmetrical power relationships are complicated.
    - dnskxbzj 7y ago
      So? My honor, like my privacy, is valuable to me without having to attach to it a material worth. My honor is refusing to live a lie and therefore denying myself. I would much rather die knowing I lived like Havel, then his infamous grocer. (In case you don’t know Havel, he’s one of the thousands of bright lights who refused to live a comfortable lie in the Eastern bloc and took down an empire. The government is more scared of honorable men, then men who would flee)
    - totalZero 7y ago
      The government loses power when it lies, unless it can convert its lie into the truth.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    > For some of us the dishonor for breaking our word is worse than being jailed unjustly. I would guess the set of such people is very nearly disjoint with the set of people who actually have been jailed unjustly. With perhaps the exception of idealistic dissidents who have been jailed for the cause.
- magduf 7y ago
  >in Japan, no less, which is famous for its harsh treatment of prisoners Worse than the USA? The only place on earth I've heard of that has good treatment for prisoners is western Europe.
  - asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
    In some ways. There was an interesting documentary on this subject on YouTube. I think it was this: https://youtu.be/WCF6eAKPtRQ https://youtu.be/WCF6eAKPtRQ
- markdown 7y ago
  > That said, I always wonder why people don't abscond more often when facing charges that will see them jailed for the rest of their lives. Most people wouldn't be allowed into other countries while facing such charges.

asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago

That said, I always wonder why people don't abscond more often when facing charges that will see them jailed for the rest of their lives. I suppose it's more likely than not that he did at least some of the dirt he's accused of. But from his personal perspective, the choices are the life of a fugitive and the life of a prisoner (in Japan, no less, which is famous for its harsh treatment of prisoners). For me, the choice would be obvious.

dnskxbzj 7y ago
You give our word not to flee. For some of us the dishonor for breaking our word is worse than being jailed unjustly. Besides, liberal freeing society collapses if we cannot or will not hold people to their word, replaced by totalitarianism.
- keiferski 7y ago
  And what happens when the government doesn’t stick to their word? Nothing. Asymmetrical power relationships are complicated.
  - dnskxbzj 7y ago
    So? My honor, like my privacy, is valuable to me without having to attach to it a material worth. My honor is refusing to live a lie and therefore denying myself. I would much rather die knowing I lived like Havel, then his infamous grocer. (In case you don’t know Havel, he’s one of the thousands of bright lights who refused to live a comfortable lie in the Eastern bloc and took down an empire. The government is more scared of honorable men, then men who would flee)
  - totalZero 7y ago
    The government loses power when it lies, unless it can convert its lie into the truth.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  > For some of us the dishonor for breaking our word is worse than being jailed unjustly. I would guess the set of such people is very nearly disjoint with the set of people who actually have been jailed unjustly. With perhaps the exception of idealistic dissidents who have been jailed for the cause.
magduf 7y ago
>in Japan, no less, which is famous for its harsh treatment of prisoners Worse than the USA? The only place on earth I've heard of that has good treatment for prisoners is western Europe.
- asdfasgasdgasdg 7y ago
  In some ways. There was an interesting documentary on this subject on YouTube. I think it was this: https://youtu.be/WCF6eAKPtRQ https://youtu.be/WCF6eAKPtRQ
markdown 7y ago
> That said, I always wonder why people don't abscond more often when facing charges that will see them jailed for the rest of their lives. Most people wouldn't be allowed into other countries while facing such charges.