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Do you really need an argument in favor of Boston Children’s Hospital to realize that DoSing a hospital is nowhere near the scope of either a legally or morally

Do you really need an argument in favor of Boston Children’s Hospital to realize that DoSing a hospital is nowhere near the scope of either a legally or morally acceptable course of action to deal with something like this even if his take on the case was 100% correct ?

LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
Sometimes sacrifices have to be made, sometimes children have to suffer and die, for a moral outcry to be marshalled. Totally agree with seemslegit, he botched the political poker by not upping the stakes.
Semaphor 7y ago
If you want to engage in that, does that make him deserving of being in a secret (?) prison? Does that preclude the need of arguments in favor of them to excuse them of their treatment of Justina Pelletier? I think you read something into my comment that isn't there. edit: And I'm not even sure I could categorically state that DoSing a fundraiser of a hospital engaging in (at least from what I've read in the articles) medical kidnapping, using wards of state as guinea pigs, etc. is morally wrong. Another reason for my request for differing opinions.
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- leftyted 7y ago
  You're far too credulous. This guy seems like an absolute loon to me. I find his claims of "secret prisons" and widespread corruption extremely dubious. You have an anti-US bias ("I'm not exactly a fan of the USA") that you should try to account for. > Does that preclude the need of arguments in favor of them to excuse them of their treatment of Justina Pelletier? The two things aren't related. The parents challenged the hospital in court and won. I think there's clearly an issue here (the hospital seems to have gone too far), but we Americans -- barbaric though we may be -- have means of settling disagreements without DoSing hospitals.
  - Semaphor 7y ago
    > You have an anti-US bias ("I'm not exactly a fan of the USA") that you should try to account for. Yes. I agree. This is why I asked for arguments in favor of the other side. So far I've read nothing but articles supporting Justina (and her parents) and Marty and their versions of the story. Then I asked for other viewpoints. And instead you tell me I shouldn't believe everything when I literally said "At face value" and that it seems over the top.
    - jessaustin 7y ago
      The authoritarians in this nation don't have logic or the facts on their side. They make up for it with endless repetition. Every punishment for subjects, no matter how obviously extreme, must be supported. Every crime committed by the police, no matter the horrific circumstances, must be defended. Every authoritarian abuse of power must be good. If it's confusing to you, overseas, imagine living here and being subject to this noise constantly. [EDIT:] To be clear, I don't particularly believe or disbelieve any particular allegation in TFA. This is just an observation about comments ITT and how they echo comments in every thread about how we little unimportant people have overstepped our bounds.
- seemslegit 7y ago
  Of course it doesn't excuse secret prisons ("communication management unit" is a very nice euphemism), there was probably a lot of wrong with the treatment of Justina Pelletier, and the morally and normatively bankrupt state of the BOP is well known - it's just that this guy is a really bad example to showcase this over. And if he indeed only disrupted a fundraising event rather than the hospital operation it could be a serious miscarriage of justice (with complicity from the news outlets who described it as such if this was amenable to fact checking), but this should be argued by lawyers familiar with the case because PR-wise he has very little going for him.
seemslegit 7y ago
Curiously - half of this comment was copy-pasted as a comment to the medium article and not by me.

LifeLiverTransp 7y ago

Sometimes sacrifices have to be made, sometimes children have to suffer and die, for a moral outcry to be marshalled. Totally agree with seemslegit, he botched the political poker by not upping the stakes.

Semaphor 7y ago

If you want to engage in that, does that make him deserving of being in a secret (?) prison? Does that preclude the need of arguments in favor of them to excuse them of their treatment of Justina Pelletier? I think you read something into my comment that isn't there. edit: And I'm not even sure I could categorically state that DoSing a fundraiser of a hospital engaging in (at least from what I've read in the articles) medical kidnapping, using wards of state as guinea pigs, etc. is morally wrong. Another reason for my request for differing opinions.

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leftyted 7y ago
You're far too credulous. This guy seems like an absolute loon to me. I find his claims of "secret prisons" and widespread corruption extremely dubious. You have an anti-US bias ("I'm not exactly a fan of the USA") that you should try to account for. > Does that preclude the need of arguments in favor of them to excuse them of their treatment of Justina Pelletier? The two things aren't related. The parents challenged the hospital in court and won. I think there's clearly an issue here (the hospital seems to have gone too far), but we Americans -- barbaric though we may be -- have means of settling disagreements without DoSing hospitals.
- Semaphor 7y ago
  > You have an anti-US bias ("I'm not exactly a fan of the USA") that you should try to account for. Yes. I agree. This is why I asked for arguments in favor of the other side. So far I've read nothing but articles supporting Justina (and her parents) and Marty and their versions of the story. Then I asked for other viewpoints. And instead you tell me I shouldn't believe everything when I literally said "At face value" and that it seems over the top.
  - jessaustin 7y ago
    The authoritarians in this nation don't have logic or the facts on their side. They make up for it with endless repetition. Every punishment for subjects, no matter how obviously extreme, must be supported. Every crime committed by the police, no matter the horrific circumstances, must be defended. Every authoritarian abuse of power must be good. If it's confusing to you, overseas, imagine living here and being subject to this noise constantly. [EDIT:] To be clear, I don't particularly believe or disbelieve any particular allegation in TFA. This is just an observation about comments ITT and how they echo comments in every thread about how we little unimportant people have overstepped our bounds.
seemslegit 7y ago
Of course it doesn't excuse secret prisons ("communication management unit" is a very nice euphemism), there was probably a lot of wrong with the treatment of Justina Pelletier, and the morally and normatively bankrupt state of the BOP is well known - it's just that this guy is a really bad example to showcase this over. And if he indeed only disrupted a fundraising event rather than the hospital operation it could be a serious miscarriage of justice (with complicity from the news outlets who described it as such if this was amenable to fact checking), but this should be argued by lawyers familiar with the case because PR-wise he has very little going for him.

seemslegit 7y ago

Curiously - half of this comment was copy-pasted as a comment to the medium article and not by me.