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Military family here. My step-brother flies F/A-18’s in the Navy (not exactly the same spec as Marine Hornets but shares many parts), so that’s extra concerning
by duelingjello 7y ago
Military family here. My step-brother flies F/A-18’s in the Navy (not exactly the same spec as Marine Hornets but shares many parts), so that’s extra concerning. This is sad and understandable based on how the MIC works. Tens of trillions spent on crap; and chickenshit CO’s blame the victims (soldiers) and coverup incompetence and gross negligence rather than exhibiting leadership, taking responsibility and learning lessons. Don’t join up because your life isn’t worth a damn to pig generals, politicians and corporate schmucks.
PS: A roommate of mine in college was a Marine Herc Navigator MOS, for KC-130 and C-130. They would frequently get on the plane drunk from the night before but be expected to function. Squad meetings? At the bar, with mandatory alcohol. He bemoaned the V-22 Osprey as an overpriced death-trap, which it definitely was, in the beginning. I think many military cultures needs to strongly encourage less binge alcoholic consumption for operational effectiveness and because more personnel end up alcoholic, like my grandfather, for one (who was a paratrooper and later an AP (MP)).
- aspaceman 7y agoYeah my experience in the Marines resonates with this a lot. So many training meetings about how drinking and driving was bad, followed by a meetup at the bar. Even during the presentations the officers in charge would joke about it. None of it was ever taken seriously. The best example of double-talk I have in real life. Way they would talk about "partying in Okinawa" was always creepy when you consider the Marines' history there. Not blaming anyone specifically of course. I feel for anyone who feels like they need to drink to get through their days. Just think it's also a good example of CO's talking big but meaning nothing, and that attitude trickles all the way down the chain.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoAnd your problem is here ? If the meeting attendees where not driving after the meeting, I don't see the problem with social drinking and bonding.
- aspaceman 7y agoCause that "social drinking and bonding" was always binge drinking.
- C1sc0cat 7y agoWhat do you mean by Binge?
- jchw 7y ago“Binge drinking” is a concept of its own, see for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binge_drinking
- jdc 7y ago"The National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism defines binge drinking as a pattern of drinking that brings a person’s blood alcohol concentration (BAC) to 0.08 grams percent or above. This typically happens when men consume 5 or more drinks or women consume 4 or more drinks in about 2 hours." https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/binge-drinking.htm https://www.cdc.gov/alcohol/fact-sheets/binge-drinking.htm
- C1sc0cat 7y agoOr in British Army terms a normal night out :-)
- aspaceman 7y agoHint: that’s the problem. People take drinking = binge drinking. Especially in the military.
- dsfyu404ed 7y agoThis seems to be one of those cases where the special interest definition of a term and what the general population considers a reasonable definition diverge. Killing anything less than a 6-pack is generally not considered binge drinking by the population at large. There's also an intent element. Binge drinking involves drinking to get drunk. Killing a 6-pack because you're sitting around with your buddies drinking and watching (edit: American) football is not binge drinking to anyone who isn't a card carrying member of MADD.