I sort of agree with the first part, though some people actually enjoy having this level of control and flexibility even when they don't absolutely need it. I

I sort of agree with the first part, though some people actually enjoy having this level of control and flexibility even when they don't absolutely need it. I find chatty generic code where everything is nailed to the floor ugly, Rust, C++, Swift, Java etc. So I guess it depends on who you ask and their experience. There is nothing wrong with macros, though I definitely prefer the Common Lisp kind.