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Dunno why being downvoted for this. Makes perfect sense. I'm surprised the guy didn't flee earlier -- his bail money (~$15mn) would be a pittance. Pity his p

Dunno why being downvoted for this. Makes perfect sense. I'm surprised the guy didn't flee earlier -- his bail money (~$15mn) would be a pittance. Pity his poor lieutenant left behind though. Nasty business.

closeparen 7y ago
Surely they didn’t let him keep his passport; how is he crossing borders?
- Hydraulix989 7y ago
  Amazing what money can buy
  - anonu 7y ago
    I'm sure a private jet facilitates a getaway
- internet_user 7y ago
  Almost certainly a newly issued Lebanese passport.
  - CrazyCatDog 7y ago
    You don’t need a valid passport to land in Beirut, at least that’s my lived experience. I have dual citizenship, I was born in XX. Our Lebanese passports had expired, so my mother and I used our XX passports to fly into Beirut several years ago—I purchased a visa upon touching down, but boarder control insisted I return it, they recognized my last name [1]. Leaving two days later without being able to produce evidence of military service (I was 17 at the time) was a nightmare, and the XX government would not help seeing as how this was not their problem (the curse of a dual citizenship), but I got lucky (see [1]). Come to think of it, Lebanon was in such disarray at the time, it would have been nearly impossible to renounce my Lebanese citizenship—even today, I have no idea what the first step would be. [1] I’m no Ghosn, but my grandfather had toyed with the idea of running for federal office in Lebanon at the time.
    - internet_user 7y ago
      If you can trust the news, he travelled on a French passport plus a Lebanese ID.
- pnako 7y ago
  Which one of his passports did they keep though?
  - zxienin 7y ago
    Both [1] > Hironaka added that Ghosn's attorneys hold his passports, and that the former auto executive "could not possibly use them." [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/30/business/carlos-ghosn-lebanon/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/30/business/carlos-ghosn-leb...
    - desdiv 7y ago
      Ghosn is a Lebanese citizen (among French and Brazilian) and he chose to flee to Lebanon. In many countries, such as the US, you don't need a passport to return home. You don't need any documentation, in fact. The border agency will detain you and question you for days until you can sufficiently prove your citizenship, but they are legally obligated to let you back into the country. I don't know whether this is the case for Lebanon or not. Commercial flights check your passport before you board, because there are regulations and they like to cover their own ass, but private charter flight don't have these checks if you pay enough.
      - anonu 7y ago
        The Lebanese border control said that someone that looked like Carlos came into the country with another name. So he had help from some people... Either way: he's shortlisted to be the next Lebanese president, is my guess... I think that's his long term strategy to avoid his fraud trial. You can't really arrest or extradite a head of state for fraud.
    - zxienin 7y ago
      correction: all three (not both)
- zxienin 7y ago
  It’s likely, this escape is supported by Lebanese govt. Entry into country is then ok. Exit from Japan is mystery. Private chartered flight, without stopovers, I’d guess :-) There’ll be movie on this at some time in future.

closeparen 7y ago

Surely they didn’t let him keep his passport; how is he crossing borders?

Hydraulix989 7y ago
Amazing what money can buy
- anonu 7y ago
  I'm sure a private jet facilitates a getaway
internet_user 7y ago
Almost certainly a newly issued Lebanese passport.
- CrazyCatDog 7y ago
  You don’t need a valid passport to land in Beirut, at least that’s my lived experience. I have dual citizenship, I was born in XX. Our Lebanese passports had expired, so my mother and I used our XX passports to fly into Beirut several years ago—I purchased a visa upon touching down, but boarder control insisted I return it, they recognized my last name [1]. Leaving two days later without being able to produce evidence of military service (I was 17 at the time) was a nightmare, and the XX government would not help seeing as how this was not their problem (the curse of a dual citizenship), but I got lucky (see [1]). Come to think of it, Lebanon was in such disarray at the time, it would have been nearly impossible to renounce my Lebanese citizenship—even today, I have no idea what the first step would be. [1] I’m no Ghosn, but my grandfather had toyed with the idea of running for federal office in Lebanon at the time.
  - internet_user 7y ago
    If you can trust the news, he travelled on a French passport plus a Lebanese ID.
pnako 7y ago
Which one of his passports did they keep though?
- zxienin 7y ago
  Both [1] > Hironaka added that Ghosn's attorneys hold his passports, and that the former auto executive "could not possibly use them." [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/30/business/carlos-ghosn-lebanon/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2019/12/30/business/carlos-ghosn-leb...
  - desdiv 7y ago
    Ghosn is a Lebanese citizen (among French and Brazilian) and he chose to flee to Lebanon. In many countries, such as the US, you don't need a passport to return home. You don't need any documentation, in fact. The border agency will detain you and question you for days until you can sufficiently prove your citizenship, but they are legally obligated to let you back into the country. I don't know whether this is the case for Lebanon or not. Commercial flights check your passport before you board, because there are regulations and they like to cover their own ass, but private charter flight don't have these checks if you pay enough.
    - anonu 7y ago
      The Lebanese border control said that someone that looked like Carlos came into the country with another name. So he had help from some people... Either way: he's shortlisted to be the next Lebanese president, is my guess... I think that's his long term strategy to avoid his fraud trial. You can't really arrest or extradite a head of state for fraud.
  - zxienin 7y ago
    correction: all three (not both)
zxienin 7y ago
It’s likely, this escape is supported by Lebanese govt. Entry into country is then ok. Exit from Japan is mystery. Private chartered flight, without stopovers, I’d guess :-) There’ll be movie on this at some time in future.