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I rented a 2018 Ford Explorer AWD with ~8k miles on it last year. It suffered a persistent "Terrain Management System Fault. Service AdvanceTrac." error while p

I rented a 2018 Ford Explorer AWD with ~8k miles on it last year. It suffered a persistent "Terrain Management System Fault. Service AdvanceTrac." error while parked, stranding me on a mountain for 2 days. This is apparently a shockingly common problem with Ford vehicles equipped with AdvanceTrac. It's getting tiresome that any similar issues Tesla encounters are somehow newsworthy... For example fires - according to FEMA, there's ~171,500+ highway car fires per year and if a Tesla ever catches on fire it's big news

taurath 7y ago
OTOH it’s a car and driver long term test car, so one would hope that entropy wouldn’t affect it much. If you’re saying it’s common for many vehicles to just die while parked, I don’t think that’s really a thing yet.
- jeffnappi 7y ago
  I'm saying if they had a Ford Explorer (or any other mundane model) that suffered a similar failure they would likely not bother to write an entire article highlighting that event. It just isn't quite the click bait that a Tesla article brings.
  - fgonzag 7y ago
    They would absolutely bother writing about it. They do a ton of long term car reviews, many good, some bad, some horrible (like this one). You can search their long term car reviews, they tell it exactly as is, including any maintenance costs or inconveniences (they even mention other luxury brands at least providing full tOW truck pick up service and a loaner, unlike Tesla which expects you to do it itself)
    - jeffnappi 7y ago
      Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]? 1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-reliability-maintenance/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."
      - ariwilson 7y ago
        Isn't it that article? In the previous paragraph: "After hitting 40,000 miles, the Raptor began complaining with a noisy, ill-shifting transfer case. The dealer replaced a damaged shift fork, the clutch assembly, and a handful of other worn internal parts under warranty—a fix that took a week."
        fgonzag 7y ago
        I'm as confused as you are. He's doing Trump's signature move, pointing at the evidence and saying: "see, there's no evidence"
        jeffnappi 7y ago
        My point is they didn't call it out in the headline or write an article focusing on the failure.
      - fgonzag 7y ago
        The car still worked and managed to limp to the dealer, so it's not close to the same event. C&D is stating that they had never had a car become 100% useless while parked and turned off, and that every other luxury brand had offered tow service and a loaner. That's what made this particular event article worthy. I'm 100% sure that had this happened to any other brand, they would've done the same. You're not a C&D regular if you think otherwise to be honest, they'll happily love one model of a brand and absolutely detest others. They love electric cars. You're just spewing out accusations with no basis on fact.
        jeffnappi 7y ago
        You're right that I am not a c&d regular, but I do have respect for them. I lumped them in with other publications that like to write sensationalized articles about Tesla. I'm still not 100% confident that they'd write an article if they had a similar failure in a mundane vehicle.
  - gamblor956 7y ago
    If it were the review model or an employee's personal vehicle they absolutely would write an article about it.

taurath 7y ago

OTOH it’s a car and driver long term test car, so one would hope that entropy wouldn’t affect it much. If you’re saying it’s common for many vehicles to just die while parked, I don’t think that’s really a thing yet.

jeffnappi 7y ago
I'm saying if they had a Ford Explorer (or any other mundane model) that suffered a similar failure they would likely not bother to write an entire article highlighting that event. It just isn't quite the click bait that a Tesla article brings.
- fgonzag 7y ago
  They would absolutely bother writing about it. They do a ton of long term car reviews, many good, some bad, some horrible (like this one). You can search their long term car reviews, they tell it exactly as is, including any maintenance costs or inconveniences (they even mention other luxury brands at least providing full tOW truck pick up service and a loaner, unlike Tesla which expects you to do it itself)
  - jeffnappi 7y ago
    Can you point me to the article they wrote about the drivetrain failure they had in their long term Ford Raptor[1]? 1. https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-150-raptor-reliability-maintenance/ https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a23888636/2017-ford-f-1... "it ate a costly drivetrain part at only 40,000 miles."
    - ariwilson 7y ago
      Isn't it that article? In the previous paragraph: "After hitting 40,000 miles, the Raptor began complaining with a noisy, ill-shifting transfer case. The dealer replaced a damaged shift fork, the clutch assembly, and a handful of other worn internal parts under warranty—a fix that took a week."
      - fgonzag 7y ago
        I'm as confused as you are. He's doing Trump's signature move, pointing at the evidence and saying: "see, there's no evidence"
      - jeffnappi 7y ago
        My point is they didn't call it out in the headline or write an article focusing on the failure.
    - fgonzag 7y ago
      The car still worked and managed to limp to the dealer, so it's not close to the same event. C&D is stating that they had never had a car become 100% useless while parked and turned off, and that every other luxury brand had offered tow service and a loaner. That's what made this particular event article worthy. I'm 100% sure that had this happened to any other brand, they would've done the same. You're not a C&D regular if you think otherwise to be honest, they'll happily love one model of a brand and absolutely detest others. They love electric cars. You're just spewing out accusations with no basis on fact.
      - jeffnappi 7y ago
        You're right that I am not a c&d regular, but I do have respect for them. I lumped them in with other publications that like to write sensationalized articles about Tesla. I'm still not 100% confident that they'd write an article if they had a similar failure in a mundane vehicle.
- gamblor956 7y ago
  If it were the review model or an employee's personal vehicle they absolutely would write an article about it.