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> At least it is something right? Sure, but that's like fining me $10 for doing something bad. You're really not deterring me. > how much do you think would a

by grecy 7y ago

> At least it is something right? Sure, but that's like fining me $10 for doing something bad. You're really not deterring me. > how much do you think would an appropriate fine be? If we actually want to get serious about this, fines must be progressive like taxes, otherwise there is no way to inflict the same "punishment" on an individual or company that generates $10,000 a year and and individual or company that generates $100,000,000 per year. So let's make the fine some percentage of Facebook's total revenue. I'd be very happy if speeding fines, or drink driving fines, or any others were a percentage of my income.

juusto 7y ago
Would be interesting to know how much money did Facebook make in this deal and apply the fine accordingly. Knowing that we would be better informed to say if 1.6 Million is a lot or not according to the offence.
- grecy 7y ago
  Facebook could sell tens of millions of people's data without their consent for just $10,000. How much should you fine them in that case? If I rob a bank and only manage to get away with $50, how much should I be fined, or for how long should I be jailed? The fine isn't about how much Facebook profited from this violation, it should be about how much they make each year if we really want to discourage this behaviour long term.
thomasfortes 7y ago
I prefer to use the analogy of being fined for illegal parking for less than the value of the parking lot fee. If no one fined you, you parked for free, if you got fined, you still paid less than what you would pay to the parking lot. And I agree with you, fines should be progressive, if they aren't, they are a deterrent only to small players.
- grecy 7y ago
  I heard a skit on the radio once where an American was driving around Sydney looking for a park and asked about parking in some place. A local said, "Oh no, the fine for parking there is $40 a day!". The American immediately parked there, saying $40 is much cheaper than daily parking in NYC.
  - shric 7y ago
    They're $114 and up these days. https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/demerits-parking.pdf https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/deme... [PDF]

by grecy 7y ago

juusto 7y ago

Would be interesting to know how much money did Facebook make in this deal and apply the fine accordingly. Knowing that we would be better informed to say if 1.6 Million is a lot or not according to the offence.

grecy 7y ago
Facebook could sell tens of millions of people's data without their consent for just $10,000. How much should you fine them in that case? If I rob a bank and only manage to get away with $50, how much should I be fined, or for how long should I be jailed? The fine isn't about how much Facebook profited from this violation, it should be about how much they make each year if we really want to discourage this behaviour long term.

thomasfortes 7y ago

I prefer to use the analogy of being fined for illegal parking for less than the value of the parking lot fee. If no one fined you, you parked for free, if you got fined, you still paid less than what you would pay to the parking lot. And I agree with you, fines should be progressive, if they aren't, they are a deterrent only to small players.

grecy 7y ago
I heard a skit on the radio once where an American was driving around Sydney looking for a park and asked about parking in some place. A local said, "Oh no, the fine for parking there is $40 a day!". The American immediately parked there, saying $40 is much cheaper than daily parking in NYC.
- shric 7y ago
  They're $114 and up these days. https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/demerits-parking.pdf https://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/roads/safety-rules/deme... [PDF]