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The Mars remote viewing is honestly hilarious. > CIA: Hey Mr. Seer, please look into Mars a million years back in this coordinates. > Seer: Oh, I see a pyrami

The Mars remote viewing is honestly hilarious. > CIA: Hey Mr. Seer, please look into Mars a million years back in this coordinates. > Seer: Oh, I see a pyramid and aliens and shit. > CIA: Awesome. Here is a check for your services. Edit: The actual transcript here https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788R001900760001-9.pdf https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP96-00788...

aldoushuxley001 7y ago
wow, that was a fascinating read. Thanks for the link. Almost guaranteed they're still doing experiments like this.
- Fnoord 7y ago
  Stargate Project was closed in 1995 [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#Closure_(1995) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#Closure_(1995...
  - lostgame 7y ago
    And you don't think they've replaced it with a similar program? I personally think telling the public the program was shut down and didn't have great results could easily be a red herring. Truth be told - if there was a lot of success from Psyops programs, and you were the US military, would you want a lot of people to know?
    - Fnoord 7y ago
      Doesn't matter what I think; only thing which matters is if there is proof of such, or clues which lead to a hypothesis that such exists. Feel free to share such. The way it went in history is that the US started with it to bait the USSR into spending money into a worthless project (which succeeded). Then, the US replied to that with "what if it is real?" There was still a lot of belief in "the paranormal" back then; nowadays we know much more about the techniques behind paranormal scam artists. I've seen various documentaries on these programs (including about remote viewing and Ingo Swann [1], a scientologist), and from my memory the results of these programs were lackluster. Sure, there were some hits, as there are hits with cold reading and guessing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann
KenanSulayman 7y ago
> MON: (Real time plus 22 minutes.)* Yes that would be correct. ... is this a serious interview? How does something like this even happen? Edit: > MON: (I think that he's losing his ability to move accurately, but he is attracted to things that are interesting, so we're going to go with his own, we're going to let him go ahead and explore what seems to be interesting to him rather than move on the targets indicated here.)* I'm not sure if I'm shocked or confused...
lostgame 7y ago
What the hell am I reading? Is this a continuation of the Remove Viewing programs as discussed in 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'? For real, I am astonished and confused by this.
mzs 7y ago
neat but from 2000
TheHeretic12 7y ago
I've seen rumors that the CIA was into this stuff for years and years. Being officially an intelligence agency, any useful information they can get is valuable to them, even if its only to confirm another source. From what Ive seen and read elsewhere, the "remote viewing" that occult groups claim to be able to practice might be a smokescreen. The larger occult groups tend to keep very good independent historical records, and their "mediums" are just people who have an encyclopedic knowledge of this history. Thus, when intel agent So-and-So goes to The Society of Whatever-It-Is and consults them, the whole "remote viewing" thing is a way for one intel agency to protect thier real sources while giving out whatever info they see fit. This is just a theory of mine, but its more plausible than thier official explanation.
luxuryballs 7y ago
Well shit, Alex Jones was right.

aldoushuxley001 7y ago

wow, that was a fascinating read. Thanks for the link. Almost guaranteed they're still doing experiments like this.

Fnoord 7y ago
Stargate Project was closed in 1995 [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#Closure_(1995) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project#Closure_(1995...
- lostgame 7y ago
  And you don't think they've replaced it with a similar program? I personally think telling the public the program was shut down and didn't have great results could easily be a red herring. Truth be told - if there was a lot of success from Psyops programs, and you were the US military, would you want a lot of people to know?
  - Fnoord 7y ago
    Doesn't matter what I think; only thing which matters is if there is proof of such, or clues which lead to a hypothesis that such exists. Feel free to share such. The way it went in history is that the US started with it to bait the USSR into spending money into a worthless project (which succeeded). Then, the US replied to that with "what if it is real?" There was still a lot of belief in "the paranormal" back then; nowadays we know much more about the techniques behind paranormal scam artists. I've seen various documentaries on these programs (including about remote viewing and Ingo Swann [1], a scientologist), and from my memory the results of these programs were lackluster. Sure, there were some hits, as there are hits with cold reading and guessing. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann

KenanSulayman 7y ago

> MON: (Real time plus 22 minutes.)* Yes that would be correct. ... is this a serious interview? How does something like this even happen? Edit: > MON: (I think that he's losing his ability to move accurately, but he is attracted to things that are interesting, so we're going to go with his own, we're going to let him go ahead and explore what seems to be interesting to him rather than move on the targets indicated here.)* I'm not sure if I'm shocked or confused...

lostgame 7y ago

What the hell am I reading? Is this a continuation of the Remove Viewing programs as discussed in 'The Men Who Stare at Goats'? For real, I am astonished and confused by this.

mzs 7y ago

neat but from 2000

TheHeretic12 7y ago

I've seen rumors that the CIA was into this stuff for years and years. Being officially an intelligence agency, any useful information they can get is valuable to them, even if its only to confirm another source. From what Ive seen and read elsewhere, the "remote viewing" that occult groups claim to be able to practice might be a smokescreen. The larger occult groups tend to keep very good independent historical records, and their "mediums" are just people who have an encyclopedic knowledge of this history. Thus, when intel agent So-and-So goes to The Society of Whatever-It-Is and consults them, the whole "remote viewing" thing is a way for one intel agency to protect thier real sources while giving out whatever info they see fit. This is just a theory of mine, but its more plausible than thier official explanation.

luxuryballs 7y ago

Well shit, Alex Jones was right.