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Only the mighty US of A matters.

by ulfw 7y ago

umvi 7y ago
My point is that American pilots probably have an intrinsic advantage flying American-made planes over foreign pilots (it's the "white privilege" of the aviation world). It's hard to measure, but it's likely there in the form of pilot social circles.
- simion314 7y ago
  Did you read about Boeing and airlines trying to cut more of the pilots training costs? With the FAA in Boeing's pockets (if this accidents would not have happened) you would probably get less simulator training and more VR, tablet apps and software hacks to make even more money for the rich.
- velosol 7y ago
  I doubt it's the fact that they're American flying American planes as egregious accidents happen even in those sorts of scenarios (cf. Air France 447, French pilots, French plane, French carrier). There's the NY Times Magazine article that reminded everyone of the word 'airmanship' [1] although it wasn't terribly well-received [2], [3] by some other pilots. If you don't want to read all those, basically pilots in richer countries might be more likely to also be private pilots and more familiar with how an aircraft 'feels' that translates to a better sense of what's happening in larger aircraft. Combine a lack of that in poorer countries with the dumpster fire of Boeing's choices, crap replacement parts, and 'limited' training regimens and you have a fatal error chain forged. The criticisms focus on the idea that heroic pilots who could recognize and avoid the situation probably aren't the norm. Further, there's often prejudice against pilots from developing countries even when they are competent; neither of these excuse the systemic failure and getting to the conclusion of "but for the pilots the crashes wouldn't have happened" is somewhere between insulting and reductive. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-crashes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-c... [2]: https://medium.com/@elanhead/the-limits-of-william-langewiesches-airmanship-52546f20ec9a https://medium.com/@elanhead/the-limits-of-william-langewies... [3]: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/explosive-new-york-times-story-lays-blame-for-boeing-737-max-crashes/ https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/explosive-new-york-times-st...

Only the mighty US of A matters.

by ulfw 7y ago

Only the mighty US of A matters.

umvi 7y ago

My point is that American pilots probably have an intrinsic advantage flying American-made planes over foreign pilots (it's the "white privilege" of the aviation world). It's hard to measure, but it's likely there in the form of pilot social circles.

simion314 7y ago
Did you read about Boeing and airlines trying to cut more of the pilots training costs? With the FAA in Boeing's pockets (if this accidents would not have happened) you would probably get less simulator training and more VR, tablet apps and software hacks to make even more money for the rich.
velosol 7y ago
I doubt it's the fact that they're American flying American planes as egregious accidents happen even in those sorts of scenarios (cf. Air France 447, French pilots, French plane, French carrier). There's the NY Times Magazine article that reminded everyone of the word 'airmanship' [1] although it wasn't terribly well-received [2], [3] by some other pilots. If you don't want to read all those, basically pilots in richer countries might be more likely to also be private pilots and more familiar with how an aircraft 'feels' that translates to a better sense of what's happening in larger aircraft. Combine a lack of that in poorer countries with the dumpster fire of Boeing's choices, crap replacement parts, and 'limited' training regimens and you have a fatal error chain forged. The criticisms focus on the idea that heroic pilots who could recognize and avoid the situation probably aren't the norm. Further, there's often prejudice against pilots from developing countries even when they are competent; neither of these excuse the systemic failure and getting to the conclusion of "but for the pilots the crashes wouldn't have happened" is somewhere between insulting and reductive. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-crashes.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/18/magazine/boeing-737-max-c... [2]: https://medium.com/@elanhead/the-limits-of-william-langewiesches-airmanship-52546f20ec9a https://medium.com/@elanhead/the-limits-of-william-langewies... [3]: https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/explosive-new-york-times-story-lays-blame-for-boeing-737-max-crashes/ https://www.planeandpilotmag.com/explosive-new-york-times-st...