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Those "grown-ass adults" are still not old enough to handle an alcoholic beverage, but they're old enough to kill people, get killed, and get physically and psy

Those "grown-ass adults" are still not old enough to handle an alcoholic beverage, but they're old enough to kill people, get killed, and get physically and psychologically maimed for the diplomatic failures of actual "grown-ass adults". "Paying taxes alone doesn't count." Who said anything about "paying taxes alone"? A role that involves paying taxes also involves working as a participant in society. You can choose to gatekeep about who and what counts if you wish. My gate says that teachers and healthcare workers are far and away a more important societal good. "This country they grew up, gone to school, and live in only exists because some people fought hard (and many died) to defend it." So this land and the people living on it wouldn't exist because people chose to kill other people? Huh. "It's not "involuntary servitude" it's citizen service." Just call it a different name and it's a-ok! "Free countries don't come for free - they're fought to create, to defend, and to keep free." A free country is hardly a free country when it forces you to die for, in most cases, bogus reasons for bogus wars.

coldtea 7y ago
>Those "grown-ass adults" are still not old enough to handle an alcoholic beverage, but they're old enough to kill people, get killed, and get physically and psychologically maimed for the diplomatic failures of actual "grown-ass adults". Well, depends on the country/culture. In several they are allowed to handle an alcoholic beverage just fine too at that age (heck, even slightly younger). And that's just on the level of law. In their own, they manage just fine to consume alcohol, with schemes ranging from an older friend buying, to fake IDs and all that. That said, if a country is under attack, then it doesn't matter whatever one is ready or not. You handle it with whatever you have. Especially if the enemy, or the fate imposed by the enemy, wont spare teenagers either. >Who said anything about "paying taxes alone"? Many people - who think it's their one and only duty as a citizen. I'm not just replying to what has been said, but also to common attitudes and more general themes related to the subject. >So this land and the people living on it wouldn't exist because people chose to kill other people? Huh. A country is not it's land, it's the state, it's sovereignty, it's infrastructure, and so on. So that land would exist, and others would be ruling it, including you. Huh. >A free country is hardly a free country when it forces you to die for, in most cases, bogus reasons for bogus wars. The existence (even prevalence) of bogus wars, doesn't make all war fighting bogus. Usually the bogus wars are on the offense side to begin with. The US didn't have any reason or right to be in the Phillipines or Vietnam for example. But they did have a reason to fight the British. Or the Japanese for that matter.

coldtea 7y ago

>Those "grown-ass adults" are still not old enough to handle an alcoholic beverage, but they're old enough to kill people, get killed, and get physically and psychologically maimed for the diplomatic failures of actual "grown-ass adults". Well, depends on the country/culture. In several they are allowed to handle an alcoholic beverage just fine too at that age (heck, even slightly younger). And that's just on the level of law. In their own, they manage just fine to consume alcohol, with schemes ranging from an older friend buying, to fake IDs and all that. That said, if a country is under attack, then it doesn't matter whatever one is ready or not. You handle it with whatever you have. Especially if the enemy, or the fate imposed by the enemy, wont spare teenagers either. >Who said anything about "paying taxes alone"? Many people - who think it's their one and only duty as a citizen. I'm not just replying to what has been said, but also to common attitudes and more general themes related to the subject. >So this land and the people living on it wouldn't exist because people chose to kill other people? Huh. A country is not it's land, it's the state, it's sovereignty, it's infrastructure, and so on. So that land would exist, and others would be ruling it, including you. Huh. >A free country is hardly a free country when it forces you to die for, in most cases, bogus reasons for bogus wars. The existence (even prevalence) of bogus wars, doesn't make all war fighting bogus. Usually the bogus wars are on the offense side to begin with. The US didn't have any reason or right to be in the Phillipines or Vietnam for example. But they did have a reason to fight the British. Or the Japanese for that matter.