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This isn't the same as the situation around low fat diet at all. That research is intentionally distorted by companies who want to avoid the reality of what is

This isn't the same as the situation around low fat diet at all. That research is intentionally distorted by companies who want to avoid the reality of what is needed: moderation, modest calorie intake and low sugar diets. The situation in the scientific literature was always far more fluid and complicated than what was communicated to the public because industry paid to communicate only the research they wanted. https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615 https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615 has a nice overview, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5099084/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5099084/ talks about how industry intentionally distorted research, and http://resources.betterfly.com/uploads_resources/20000/19456/2316.pdf http://resources.betterfly.com/uploads_resources/20000/19456... talks about how the government listens to corporations not scientists and how the science was always in doubt. The situation isn't even close, low-fat diets are an example of how science is distorted by evil and money without a care for the lives of millions.

ben_w 7y ago
The underlying cause may be completely different, but it’s probably useful to group them together under the category “ways our societies can be wrong, even if part of that society tries to correct the whole”.
- SiempreViernes 7y ago
  Useful if you want to make a list of all the different ways, but not at all meaningfull if you want to make society steer a sensible course as they cannot be treated the same way. I think your list needs to have religion and political game theory on it as well.
ping_pong 7y ago
No. The fact is decades of research confirmed this wrong science, or the scientific community just ate what was spoon fed to them. No one questioned it. I lived through decades of indoctrination that low fat diets helped and this was echoed by everyone including doctors and scientists. The same goes for things as wide spread as amyloids or even string theory. Decades are wasted because scientists are too afraid of getting their careers ruined.

ben_w 7y ago

The underlying cause may be completely different, but it’s probably useful to group them together under the category “ways our societies can be wrong, even if part of that society tries to correct the whole”.

SiempreViernes 7y ago
Useful if you want to make a list of all the different ways, but not at all meaningfull if you want to make society steer a sensible course as they cannot be treated the same way. I think your list needs to have religion and political game theory on it as well.

ping_pong 7y ago

No. The fact is decades of research confirmed this wrong science, or the scientific community just ate what was spoon fed to them. No one questioned it. I lived through decades of indoctrination that low fat diets helped and this was echoed by everyone including doctors and scientists. The same goes for things as wide spread as amyloids or even string theory. Decades are wasted because scientists are too afraid of getting their careers ruined.