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Cue the "But I like Apple running the app store with an iron fist! No malware and viruses!" comments. Unless the government forces Apple in the future to permit

by pentae 7y ago

Cue the "But I like Apple running the app store with an iron fist! No malware and viruses!" comments. Unless the government forces Apple in the future to permit sideloading, this is never going to change.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> Unless the government forces Apple in the future to permit sideloading, this is never going to change Granted. Convince me this is an issue best solved by a law specifically regulating side loading?
- anfilt 7y ago
  Well what else do you propose since iPhones comes with essentially a hard coded PC equivalent of secure boot that you can't disable. You can't even load your own keys onto the device and sign your own software or OS. At which point you don't even own the computer since you have limited say as to the software you can run on it. I don't see Apple planning to stop restricting users rights anytime soon. Same applies for phone manufactures who sell android devices.
  - Terretta 7y ago
    At what point does a PC become an appliance? We don’t force appliance makers to allow side loading. We don’t enforce car makers to support engine warranties if you re-chipped your ECU. There seems to be no “user right” to receive ongoing support at manufacturer expense for a thing the user meddled with outside of parameters. Along the ‘convince me’ lines: 1. Convince me the iPhone is not an appliance competing in a marketplace of appliances. 2. Convince me the market cannot decide what it wants this appliance to be able to do or not do. 3. Convince me a maker has no right to decide what user actions may void its future obligations to the user.
    - inimino 7y ago
      > Convince me a maker has no right to decide what user actions may void its future obligations to the user. That's a completely different thing. This is a question of a manufacturer having complete control over what the buyer can do with the device. There is no "click here to void your warranty and enable root" button, if there was this would be a different conversation.
  - scarface74 7y ago
    Don’t buy an iPhone? Problem solved.

by pentae 7y ago

JumpCrisscross 7y ago

> Unless the government forces Apple in the future to permit sideloading, this is never going to change Granted. Convince me this is an issue best solved by a law specifically regulating side loading?

anfilt 7y ago
Well what else do you propose since iPhones comes with essentially a hard coded PC equivalent of secure boot that you can't disable. You can't even load your own keys onto the device and sign your own software or OS. At which point you don't even own the computer since you have limited say as to the software you can run on it. I don't see Apple planning to stop restricting users rights anytime soon. Same applies for phone manufactures who sell android devices.
- Terretta 7y ago
  At what point does a PC become an appliance? We don’t force appliance makers to allow side loading. We don’t enforce car makers to support engine warranties if you re-chipped your ECU. There seems to be no “user right” to receive ongoing support at manufacturer expense for a thing the user meddled with outside of parameters. Along the ‘convince me’ lines: 1. Convince me the iPhone is not an appliance competing in a marketplace of appliances. 2. Convince me the market cannot decide what it wants this appliance to be able to do or not do. 3. Convince me a maker has no right to decide what user actions may void its future obligations to the user.
  - inimino 7y ago
    > Convince me a maker has no right to decide what user actions may void its future obligations to the user. That's a completely different thing. This is a question of a manufacturer having complete control over what the buyer can do with the device. There is no "click here to void your warranty and enable root" button, if there was this would be a different conversation.
- scarface74 7y ago
  Don’t buy an iPhone? Problem solved.