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Having more options is inherently better in C++, a language designed to reward mastery. Having fewer choices is better in Go, a language designed to make onboar

Having more options is inherently better in C++, a language designed to reward mastery. Having fewer choices is better in Go, a language designed to make onboarding a new developer easy.

umanwizard 7y ago
In my experience, new developers are not normally charged with determining the details of build flags, deployment systems, etc.
- dodobirdlord 7y ago
  Not to be too judgmental, because I recognize that every organization has its own way, but that sounds like a sign of organizational disfunction.
  - umanwizard 7y ago
    I just mean, when you join an existing project, most of that would already be set up. In every project I’ve been on, I was asked to ramp up in the first few weeks by fixing small bugs here and there in the core codebase, not by setting up CI/makefiles/build infra/etc... I actually think I might be totally missing your point, since I don’t really understand what you mean or how you arrived at the conclusion that it’s a sign of dysfunction.
    - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
      I hope that's how it would work for me- getting the task of setting up makefiles on the first day- before I know anything about the codebase- would feel pretty daunting, to say the least.
anthk 7y ago
That's bullshit. C is simple and you have masterpieces written on it. And 6502 ASM is even more simple and yet some C64 games are a pure wizardry.
erik_seaberg 7y ago
For any given tool you're going to spend most of your career at the top of its learning curve, so it doesn't make sense to weaken the tool to optimize for the brief period when you weren't.
- firethief 7y ago
  As a developer I agree with you, but I think if I were a FAANG I'd be thinking: developers are crazy expensive, how can I commodify them? Every C++ developer is unique. There's endless variety of language subsets and build situations. It takes enormous investment to bring someone up to speed on a project, and only mandating a heavily-restricted subset of the language can make teaching it to fresh college grads practical. These are exactly the things Go is designed to avoid.

Having more options is inherently better in C++, a language designed to reward mastery. Having fewer choices is better in Go, a language designed to make onboarding a new developer easy.

umanwizard 7y ago

In my experience, new developers are not normally charged with determining the details of build flags, deployment systems, etc.

dodobirdlord 7y ago
Not to be too judgmental, because I recognize that every organization has its own way, but that sounds like a sign of organizational disfunction.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  I just mean, when you join an existing project, most of that would already be set up. In every project I’ve been on, I was asked to ramp up in the first few weeks by fixing small bugs here and there in the core codebase, not by setting up CI/makefiles/build infra/etc... I actually think I might be totally missing your point, since I don’t really understand what you mean or how you arrived at the conclusion that it’s a sign of dysfunction.
  - HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
    I hope that's how it would work for me- getting the task of setting up makefiles on the first day- before I know anything about the codebase- would feel pretty daunting, to say the least.

anthk 7y ago

That's bullshit. C is simple and you have masterpieces written on it. And 6502 ASM is even more simple and yet some C64 games are a pure wizardry.

erik_seaberg 7y ago

For any given tool you're going to spend most of your career at the top of its learning curve, so it doesn't make sense to weaken the tool to optimize for the brief period when you weren't.

firethief 7y ago
As a developer I agree with you, but I think if I were a FAANG I'd be thinking: developers are crazy expensive, how can I commodify them? Every C++ developer is unique. There's endless variety of language subsets and build situations. It takes enormous investment to bring someone up to speed on a project, and only mandating a heavily-restricted subset of the language can make teaching it to fresh college grads practical. These are exactly the things Go is designed to avoid.