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He has had three years so far but besides tough talk I haven’t seen much progress as far as health policy goes.

robomartin 7y ago
You are using the wrong time scale. Here’s a depressing exercise: Go back as far as you can find video of promises made by Presidential, Senate and House candidates of any political party. Write down the problems they list and solutions they promise. Here we are, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years later with the same problems, the same promises and the same incompetence and lack of action. Election after election, campaign after campaign, we are promised the world and, in exchange for our votes, receive absolutely nothing. Through that time every single politician becomes a multi-millionaire at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent and help. Don’t blame a guy who chose to step into a pit of vipers covered in fecal matter for what, in reality, is a monumental failure of our political system and the elites who run it. The fact that we don’t have a sensible healthcare system is not Trump’s doing. It is the result of 50 or more years of people voting for charlatans and scam artists. It’s embarrassing, it’s a disgrace. Yes, Trump is uniquely capable of inducing projectile vomiting. However, the real obscenity is what the political class has done to this country during the last several decades. Imagine being the guy actually trying to fix that mess. Do you really think decades of corruption, partisanship and incompetence can be fixed in a couple of years? And, do you think fixing this putrid mess is going to be, say, dignified and clean in any way? No, the way you clean a putrid mess is you open the doors and windows and you get to work. It’s going to be horrible, disgusting, smelly and vomit-inducing. Eventually, if you persevere, things improve and you can go from throwing feces at each other to pretending we are civilized and return to decorum. I certainly don’t agree with all of his views and some of his social manner makes me want to vomit, but I am glad we have someone at the helm who is letting all the stench out for all to see and continues to fight them hard despite having been covered in shit for three years. Few people could endure such a thing. This is a remarkable time to witness. The real obscenity is what our politicians have done to us for decades. Anything Trump may have said or done pales by comparison. I wish people could stop, think and understand this fact.
- mnm1 7y ago
  Bullshit. Obama passed the ACA. Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid. FDR passed social security. Trump hasn't done shit even with a Republican congress. Almost certainly for the best, but the point is that passing proper legislation is possible. You're just making excuses for Trump's failings. Proper healthcare has been overdue for decades now in America and not having it is one of the reasons we are sliding back into 'developing' country status.
  - robomartin 7y ago
    > Bullshit. Obama passed the ACA. Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid. If these things were actually good we would not STILL have every single politician talking about having to fix healthcare. Look, I get that you hate Trump. There's a lot of that going around. No problem. The issue is not to be blinded by hatred and to try to be objective about reality. In my decades in business I've had to do business and work with lots of people I did not agree with and, yes, in some cases, didn't like very much. Life isn't a nice linear ride into utopia. It's a twisty, complex and sometimes unpalatable path through less than ideal choices and outcomes. Trump, in this sense, isn't any different from anyone who preceded him, from Obama's lies about the ACA (I am still looking for my $2,500 a year savings...in reality our insurance costs QUADRUPLED due to ACA, coverage got worse, we could not keep our prior insurance and lost doctors) to Bush's stupid wars. This is life. We don't have to love all of it. All we can do is try to progressively make things better. BTW, it is disingenuous to say that Trump has not done anything in three years. He has actually likely done a lot more than prior Presidents. If we want to focus on healthcare alone, here's a short article listing a few non-trivial important achievements: https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/five-smart-ways-trump-has-improved-our-health-care-system/ https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/five-smart-ways-trump-has-impr... I hope you'll read it because it is obvious your hatred for Trump has caused you to not be well informed on these points. As I said in a prior comment, he takes me to the edge of projectile vomiting every time he opens his mouth. However, my aforementioned business experience has taught me to focus on results rather than style. The results he has delivered in three years --while getting dumped-on and attacked from every angle in way and at a scale never before seen in US history-- are nothing less than incredible. I struggle to comprehend how it is that this man is able to do so much while being under attack 24/7 by half the government and nearly all of the media. Here's another list: https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/healthcare/ https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/healthcare... > Trump hasn't done shit I wonder how you might support this statement? It is patently false. I am a Classical Liberal voter. I do not align with either one of the two main parties. All I care about are results, not style. Drama is of no importance at all. Results don't lie. If you can ignore your hatred long enough to read through this larger list, perhaps you can comment on how this is, to paraphrase your comment, "not doing shit": https://www.promiseskept.com/ https://www.promiseskept.com/ Most of my friends are Democrats and some even call themselves "as Left as you can be". I've had many in-person conversations with them over the last few months. Once emotion is removed from the dialog every single one of them is amazed by how much this man has achieved. My own parents are Democrats. They are voting for Trump in 2020. Why? Because of what what he has achieved while being the target of the largest political attack in the history of this nation. People who can set ideology aside are recognizing what's going on here and starting to understand who --despite the lack of style and decorum-- is actually working for them. What we are watching is a Democratic party living in abject fear of having become so incompetent and irrelevant that there's a real concern they will not win elections for some time to come if they allow Trump to win a second term and, perhaps, achieve super majorities in the House and Senate. The Leftist Utopia --you know, the one Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn describes in The Gulag Archipelago-- will evaporate from this nation if Trump wins another term and delivers results at a similar pace for the remainder of this term and another four years. That's the reason for this political war. We are witnessing a seminal moment in US history.

You are using the wrong time scale. Here’s a depressing exercise: Go back as far as you can find video of promises made by Presidential, Senate and House candidates of any political party. Write down the problems they list and solutions they promise. Here we are, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years later with the same problems, the same promises and the same incompetence and lack of action. Election after election, campaign after campaign, we are promised the world and, in exchange for our votes, receive absolutely nothing. Through that time every single politician becomes a multi-millionaire at the expense of the people they are supposed to represent and help. Don’t blame a guy who chose to step into a pit of vipers covered in fecal matter for what, in reality, is a monumental failure of our political system and the elites who run it. The fact that we don’t have a sensible healthcare system is not Trump’s doing. It is the result of 50 or more years of people voting for charlatans and scam artists. It’s embarrassing, it’s a disgrace. Yes, Trump is uniquely capable of inducing projectile vomiting. However, the real obscenity is what the political class has done to this country during the last several decades. Imagine being the guy actually trying to fix that mess. Do you really think decades of corruption, partisanship and incompetence can be fixed in a couple of years? And, do you think fixing this putrid mess is going to be, say, dignified and clean in any way? No, the way you clean a putrid mess is you open the doors and windows and you get to work. It’s going to be horrible, disgusting, smelly and vomit-inducing. Eventually, if you persevere, things improve and you can go from throwing feces at each other to pretending we are civilized and return to decorum. I certainly don’t agree with all of his views and some of his social manner makes me want to vomit, but I am glad we have someone at the helm who is letting all the stench out for all to see and continues to fight them hard despite having been covered in shit for three years. Few people could endure such a thing. This is a remarkable time to witness. The real obscenity is what our politicians have done to us for decades. Anything Trump may have said or done pales by comparison. I wish people could stop, think and understand this fact.

mnm1 7y ago
Bullshit. Obama passed the ACA. Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid. FDR passed social security. Trump hasn't done shit even with a Republican congress. Almost certainly for the best, but the point is that passing proper legislation is possible. You're just making excuses for Trump's failings. Proper healthcare has been overdue for decades now in America and not having it is one of the reasons we are sliding back into 'developing' country status.
- robomartin 7y ago
  > Bullshit. Obama passed the ACA. Johnson passed Medicare and Medicaid. If these things were actually good we would not STILL have every single politician talking about having to fix healthcare. Look, I get that you hate Trump. There's a lot of that going around. No problem. The issue is not to be blinded by hatred and to try to be objective about reality. In my decades in business I've had to do business and work with lots of people I did not agree with and, yes, in some cases, didn't like very much. Life isn't a nice linear ride into utopia. It's a twisty, complex and sometimes unpalatable path through less than ideal choices and outcomes. Trump, in this sense, isn't any different from anyone who preceded him, from Obama's lies about the ACA (I am still looking for my $2,500 a year savings...in reality our insurance costs QUADRUPLED due to ACA, coverage got worse, we could not keep our prior insurance and lost doctors) to Bush's stupid wars. This is life. We don't have to love all of it. All we can do is try to progressively make things better. BTW, it is disingenuous to say that Trump has not done anything in three years. He has actually likely done a lot more than prior Presidents. If we want to focus on healthcare alone, here's a short article listing a few non-trivial important achievements: https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/five-smart-ways-trump-has-improved-our-health-care-system/ https://nypost.com/2019/09/21/five-smart-ways-trump-has-impr... I hope you'll read it because it is obvious your hatred for Trump has caused you to not be well informed on these points. As I said in a prior comment, he takes me to the edge of projectile vomiting every time he opens his mouth. However, my aforementioned business experience has taught me to focus on results rather than style. The results he has delivered in three years --while getting dumped-on and attacked from every angle in way and at a scale never before seen in US history-- are nothing less than incredible. I struggle to comprehend how it is that this man is able to do so much while being under attack 24/7 by half the government and nearly all of the media. Here's another list: https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/healthcare/ https://www.promiseskept.com/achievement/overview/healthcare... > Trump hasn't done shit I wonder how you might support this statement? It is patently false. I am a Classical Liberal voter. I do not align with either one of the two main parties. All I care about are results, not style. Drama is of no importance at all. Results don't lie. If you can ignore your hatred long enough to read through this larger list, perhaps you can comment on how this is, to paraphrase your comment, "not doing shit": https://www.promiseskept.com/ https://www.promiseskept.com/ Most of my friends are Democrats and some even call themselves "as Left as you can be". I've had many in-person conversations with them over the last few months. Once emotion is removed from the dialog every single one of them is amazed by how much this man has achieved. My own parents are Democrats. They are voting for Trump in 2020. Why? Because of what what he has achieved while being the target of the largest political attack in the history of this nation. People who can set ideology aside are recognizing what's going on here and starting to understand who --despite the lack of style and decorum-- is actually working for them. What we are watching is a Democratic party living in abject fear of having become so incompetent and irrelevant that there's a real concern they will not win elections for some time to come if they allow Trump to win a second term and, perhaps, achieve super majorities in the House and Senate. The Leftist Utopia --you know, the one Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn describes in The Gulag Archipelago-- will evaporate from this nation if Trump wins another term and delivers results at a similar pace for the remainder of this term and another four years. That's the reason for this political war. We are witnessing a seminal moment in US history.