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I would suggests Amazfit Bip. Amazing battery life, steps, hr, gps, notifications, no need for official app (use Gadgetbridge) and can flash alternative firmwar

by vanous 7y ago

I would suggests Amazfit Bip. Amazing battery life, steps, hr, gps, notifications, no need for official app (use Gadgetbridge) and can flash alternative firmware for which you can develop in c. https://codeberg.org/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge/wiki/Amazfit-Bip https://codeberg.org/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge/wiki/Amazfi... The following link takes you to a Wiki page about BipOS. In the wiki is all you might need to know: https://codeberg.org/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge/wiki/Amazfit-Bip-OS https://codeberg.org/Freeyourgadget/Gadgetbridge/wiki/Amazfi...

poisonborz 7y ago
Seconding this, it's a fantastic watch if you don't have high needs. Most importantly it has a transreflective display (e-paper like) so it doesn't need backlight. When not using GPS or heart rate it can do crazy 50-60 days on a single charge.
Pxtl 7y ago
While I realize that everybody is manufacturing in China, is it responsible to buy an actual Chinese branded piece of electronics with Chinese software on it? Right now? It may just be splitting hairs, but it seems like in general those brands should be avoided, between Huawei's alleged espionage and the human rights problems these days, it feels like we should be making the minimal effort to avoid those brands. Of course, I'm a total hypocrite writing this on a Motorola/Lenovo phone.
- daxorid 7y ago
  between Huawei's alleged espionage and the human rights problems NSA backdoors Cisco and Juniper gear, and the United States imprisons a significantly higher percentage of its citizens than the PRC.
  - deleted 7y ago
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  - bigj0n 7y ago
    Imprisonment percentage is fairly relevant when discussing free nations, but it is absolutely not a measure of freedom by itself. Especially when you consider the monstrous cultural difference between the two countries.
    - atlasunshrugged 7y ago
      Exactly - so far we don't have a government facilitated (if not outright managed) social credit score in the U.S. that dictates who I can and can't speak with, where I go, the jobs I get, etc. Who needs to imprison people when societal norms and other citizens effectively do the job for you?
      - BoorishBears 7y ago
        I mean to take sides with this comment... but I needed a second read tell if that was satire. Since your credit score decides where you can get housing, how much you pay for things like phone access, can affect which jobs you can get, has been shown to affect personal relationships (https://www.brookings.edu/research/credit-scores-and-committed-relationships/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/credit-scores-and-committ...) And some of the most dystopian examples in China's system apply to ours. Like if you get a ticket jaywalking and don't pay, the ticket can go to collections, and your score will go down if it does. Not saying they're the same, but there are way too many parallels to ignore.
        threeseed 7y ago
        It's so much worse than that. China has combined this with (a) 500MP camera which can clearly identify anyone in a stadium full of people and (b) forcing all citizens to present biometric information when signing up for a phone plan.
        BoorishBears 7y ago
        Again, I'm not saying we have China's system, but the end of the comment talks about the citizens acting as enablers. US citizens are not that far off from them... You could sell a lot of people on 500MP cameras to detect people in stadiums "for terrorism", and in fact I'd be surprised if we don't already do something similar After all, we already saw private citizens scanning faces at events: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/future-entertainment-technology-music-tv-movies-760659/facial-recognition-concert-security-760696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/future-en... And we've actually tried to make prepaid phones require ID (which is the spirit of the biometrics)... no suprise, with the terrorism excuse: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawmakers-require-id-to-buy-prepaid-cell-phones/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawmakers-require-id-to-buy-pre...
  - threeseed 7y ago
    Did you know that China separates Uighur women from their husbands and has them father children with mainland Chinese men ? All in order to systemically wipe out the Uighur people. Or how about China kidnapping anyone critical of the government (regardless of whether they are a citizen or not) and having them tortured/killed. It really is a mini-Nazi 2.0 situation and so the comparison with anything that the US has ever done is really disgraceful.
    - deleted 7y ago
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    - tedk-42 7y ago
      Source for first claim please
    - piokoch 7y ago
      Hmm, no reason to refer to Nazism here, this is Communism in its purest form. On the other hand Communism is just a Nazism twin with a better PR (all those Che t-shirts, etc.).
- joecool1029 7y ago
  >While I realize that everybody is manufacturing in China, is it responsible to buy an actual Chinese branded piece of electronics with Chinese software on it? Right now? Yes! The US and Europe lack the technical competence to make hardware. There's no talent, no supply chain, and no culture for it. Even if the planets were to align and tons of investment went into building this, it would take literal decades to compete successfully with China. The very fact a thread like this exists is the fault of circlejerking SF software firms trying to larp as hardware companies. I love my Pebble 2 SE's but the day will come when they all die and/or the software won't work with my smartphone OS's anymore. I'd rather wade through chingrish and spotty support for a company that's likely to be around in a few years, that's likely to sell me parts when I need them. >Of course, I'm a total hypocrite writing this on a Motorola/Lenovo phone. Of course! You are on such a device because I'm right and the Chinese had to purchase the ashes from failed US firms that can't build hardware.
- kgarten 7y ago
  Huawai is doing it alleged ... nobody has proof. For Cisco, Amazon, Google etc. we have proof :)
  - skrebbel 7y ago
    I'm usually the first to criticize the US government, but if I'm forced to choose I'd rather the NSA have everything on me than their Chinese counterpart.
  - godelski 7y ago
    Just don't whistleblow, might go to jail.
  - Sabinus 7y ago
    That is very true. However I'd rather have the US government be able to spy on me than the CCP. It's much easier to upset the CCP.
- atlasunshrugged 7y ago
  I agree with the sentiment, I think it's important to put your money where your mouth is when it comes to values, especially when there are alternative options (although many still with Chinese components or assembly). I was considering switching from an Apple to a Huawei but after reading William Holstein's The New Art of War which details some of the things China is doing in terms of industrial espionage, coercing students/expats/Chinese descendent people, etc. I decided to not make the switch.
m-p-3 7y ago
Do you have some kind of repo, list or suggestions of extra apps for it?
- vanous 7y ago
  Yes, it is in the wiki... https://github.com/MNVolkov?tab=repositories https://github.com/MNVolkov?tab=repositories And also here on the forum (Google translate link): https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://myamazfit.ru/threads/bip-prilozhenija-dlja-bipos-elf.1174/&xid=17259,15700019,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhhuWjTnopepv_4QneBJ73DmVENGeQ https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&...
asadlionpk 7y ago
Seconding this. I was a Pebble user and have moved to AmazeFit, it’s a great alternative. So much that I went on to buy about 6 more for all my family!
jeswin 7y ago
It's fantastic. I charge it once a month, and can't imagine using a watch that needs to be charged every night. But I'm worried about the data it sends back.
- unicornporn 7y ago
  > I'm worried about the data it sends back. https://gadgetbridge.org/ https://gadgetbridge.org/ ?
  - jeswin 7y ago
    Wow thanks.
    - vanous 7y ago
      Gadgetbridge supports many watches and bands (including Pebble). Join us on our journey for owning our data.

by vanous 7y ago

poisonborz 7y ago

Seconding this, it's a fantastic watch if you don't have high needs. Most importantly it has a transreflective display (e-paper like) so it doesn't need backlight. When not using GPS or heart rate it can do crazy 50-60 days on a single charge.

Pxtl 7y ago

While I realize that everybody is manufacturing in China, is it responsible to buy an actual Chinese branded piece of electronics with Chinese software on it? Right now? It may just be splitting hairs, but it seems like in general those brands should be avoided, between Huawei's alleged espionage and the human rights problems these days, it feels like we should be making the minimal effort to avoid those brands. Of course, I'm a total hypocrite writing this on a Motorola/Lenovo phone.

daxorid 7y ago
between Huawei's alleged espionage and the human rights problems NSA backdoors Cisco and Juniper gear, and the United States imprisons a significantly higher percentage of its citizens than the PRC.
- deleted 7y ago
  [deleted]
- bigj0n 7y ago
  Imprisonment percentage is fairly relevant when discussing free nations, but it is absolutely not a measure of freedom by itself. Especially when you consider the monstrous cultural difference between the two countries.
  - atlasunshrugged 7y ago
    Exactly - so far we don't have a government facilitated (if not outright managed) social credit score in the U.S. that dictates who I can and can't speak with, where I go, the jobs I get, etc. Who needs to imprison people when societal norms and other citizens effectively do the job for you?
    - BoorishBears 7y ago
      I mean to take sides with this comment... but I needed a second read tell if that was satire. Since your credit score decides where you can get housing, how much you pay for things like phone access, can affect which jobs you can get, has been shown to affect personal relationships (https://www.brookings.edu/research/credit-scores-and-committed-relationships/ https://www.brookings.edu/research/credit-scores-and-committ...) And some of the most dystopian examples in China's system apply to ours. Like if you get a ticket jaywalking and don't pay, the ticket can go to collections, and your score will go down if it does. Not saying they're the same, but there are way too many parallels to ignore.
      - threeseed 7y ago
        It's so much worse than that. China has combined this with (a) 500MP camera which can clearly identify anyone in a stadium full of people and (b) forcing all citizens to present biometric information when signing up for a phone plan.
        BoorishBears 7y ago
        Again, I'm not saying we have China's system, but the end of the comment talks about the citizens acting as enablers. US citizens are not that far off from them... You could sell a lot of people on 500MP cameras to detect people in stadiums "for terrorism", and in fact I'd be surprised if we don't already do something similar After all, we already saw private citizens scanning faces at events: https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/future-entertainment-technology-music-tv-movies-760659/facial-recognition-concert-security-760696/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-lists/future-en... And we've actually tried to make prepaid phones require ID (which is the spirit of the biometrics)... no suprise, with the terrorism excuse: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawmakers-require-id-to-buy-prepaid-cell-phones/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lawmakers-require-id-to-buy-pre...
- threeseed 7y ago
  Did you know that China separates Uighur women from their husbands and has them father children with mainland Chinese men ? All in order to systemically wipe out the Uighur people. Or how about China kidnapping anyone critical of the government (regardless of whether they are a citizen or not) and having them tortured/killed. It really is a mini-Nazi 2.0 situation and so the comparison with anything that the US has ever done is really disgraceful.
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - tedk-42 7y ago
    Source for first claim please
  - piokoch 7y ago
    Hmm, no reason to refer to Nazism here, this is Communism in its purest form. On the other hand Communism is just a Nazism twin with a better PR (all those Che t-shirts, etc.).
joecool1029 7y ago
>While I realize that everybody is manufacturing in China, is it responsible to buy an actual Chinese branded piece of electronics with Chinese software on it? Right now? Yes! The US and Europe lack the technical competence to make hardware. There's no talent, no supply chain, and no culture for it. Even if the planets were to align and tons of investment went into building this, it would take literal decades to compete successfully with China. The very fact a thread like this exists is the fault of circlejerking SF software firms trying to larp as hardware companies. I love my Pebble 2 SE's but the day will come when they all die and/or the software won't work with my smartphone OS's anymore. I'd rather wade through chingrish and spotty support for a company that's likely to be around in a few years, that's likely to sell me parts when I need them. >Of course, I'm a total hypocrite writing this on a Motorola/Lenovo phone. Of course! You are on such a device because I'm right and the Chinese had to purchase the ashes from failed US firms that can't build hardware.
kgarten 7y ago
Huawai is doing it alleged ... nobody has proof. For Cisco, Amazon, Google etc. we have proof :)
- skrebbel 7y ago
  I'm usually the first to criticize the US government, but if I'm forced to choose I'd rather the NSA have everything on me than their Chinese counterpart.
- godelski 7y ago
  Just don't whistleblow, might go to jail.
- Sabinus 7y ago
  That is very true. However I'd rather have the US government be able to spy on me than the CCP. It's much easier to upset the CCP.
atlasunshrugged 7y ago
I agree with the sentiment, I think it's important to put your money where your mouth is when it comes to values, especially when there are alternative options (although many still with Chinese components or assembly). I was considering switching from an Apple to a Huawei but after reading William Holstein's The New Art of War which details some of the things China is doing in terms of industrial espionage, coercing students/expats/Chinese descendent people, etc. I decided to not make the switch.

m-p-3 7y ago

Do you have some kind of repo, list or suggestions of extra apps for it?

vanous 7y ago
Yes, it is in the wiki... https://github.com/MNVolkov?tab=repositories https://github.com/MNVolkov?tab=repositories And also here on the forum (Google translate link): https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&sp=nmt4&tl=en&u=https://myamazfit.ru/threads/bip-prilozhenija-dlja-bipos-elf.1174/&xid=17259,15700019,15700186,15700191,15700256,15700259,15700262,15700265,15700271,15700283&usg=ALkJrhhuWjTnopepv_4QneBJ73DmVENGeQ https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&...

asadlionpk 7y ago

Seconding this. I was a Pebble user and have moved to AmazeFit, it’s a great alternative. So much that I went on to buy about 6 more for all my family!

jeswin 7y ago

It's fantastic. I charge it once a month, and can't imagine using a watch that needs to be charged every night. But I'm worried about the data it sends back.

unicornporn 7y ago
> I'm worried about the data it sends back. https://gadgetbridge.org/ https://gadgetbridge.org/ ?
- jeswin 7y ago
  Wow thanks.
  - vanous 7y ago
    Gadgetbridge supports many watches and bands (including Pebble). Join us on our journey for owning our data.