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That effort in “market share voodoo,” being propagated by Garner and other corporate data flack firms, desperately attempts to hide the failure of actu
by chalst 16y ago
That effort in “market share voodoo,” being propagated by Garner and other
corporate data flack firms, desperately attempts to hide the failure of
actual Android licensees, from Samsung’s disappointing profits to
the shaky position of Motorola and Sony Ericsson.
Hmm. Why did their list not include HTC, who make $65 profit per unit, mostly on Android phones? (cf. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2172598 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2172598) It's quite true that most Android mfers are making wafer-thin wargins or even small losses, but ignoring the mfer who is raking it in?
Cherry-picking piece, lots of analytic problems, not really worth reading.
- bcrescimanno 16y agoIf the vast majority (all but one according your post--and I have no data to refute that claim) falls within the set and he leaves out the one--is that cherry-picking or simply discarding an outlier? I'd argue it's the latter.
- chalst 16y agoWhich competitor should a front-running company be most worried about? The bunch of companies who are having trouble making their product profitable, or the next most profitable company in the industry? The article purports to explain why Apple has nothing to worry about from Android mfers. Discarding this "outlier" certainly makes that task easier.
- tensor 16y agoConsidering that on the other side of the argument is a single data point, Apple, I can't see how leaving out even a single company producing Android products makes sense. Furthermore, I don't understand why so many people appear to have a desperate need to try to paint Apple as dominant and unable to fail. Wether there are more Apple handsets or Android handsets, the fact that you can even make the comparison clearly shows that Apple is no where close to dominant in the mobile market. Everyone also forgets that RIM still has a large market share, despite their OS lagging Android and iOS in features. The market is anyones game at this point and we should all be happy for the competition that exists. That competition will create cheaper and better products for us all.
- the100rabh 16y agoWell said, this piece is another blah blah blah, If Android was not worth it, no one would be talking about it as much. When did u hear anyone talk about Window Phone last ?? Except MS of course.
- ZeroGravitas 16y agoYou're misreading that HTC stat, though it's understandable as it appears to be designed to be misread. The utterly unsurprising fact that it demonstrates is that companies who only make smartphones, make more per any-kind-of-phone that they sell than companies that also sell millions of cheap dumbphones. What numbers would you get if you split Samsung and Nokia's smartphone business from their massive dumbphone businesses? Apparently that number isn't interesting. Why don't we throw in Apple's lower-priced, lower-margin iPod nanos and shuffles and see if we can guess what kind of entirely unexpected, magical effect that might have on their profit per device? (Not that being in that business is any way bad for Apple, nor are they harmed by the profit or name recognition it generates.) As for Mr Dilger's contention about Android vendors struggling: most folk seem to agree that Android saved Motorola. They may not be doing very well, but the fact that they are doing anything is an improvement. ZTE and Huwai are two big winners (triple digit growth) from Android that he doesn't mention. They're big telecom firms more famous for being OEMs but they're getting into the branded smartphone game thanks to Android. (Oh and the growth figures often don't count the carrier branded Android handsets they also produce). They may be no-names now but so was HTC a few years ago, yet last year they won both smartphone of the year and tech brand of the year in the UK (again very much thanks to Android), two awards you would expect Apple to be walking away with. Samsung are doing fine in smartphones. In the last 6 months they've overtaken HTC in sales, with devices of the same or higher calibre and price, and the advantage that the components are all Samsung made too. Who does that leave? Sony Ericsson who say they were surprised by the high level of competition from other Android vendors and vow to up their game in response. Oh and LG who seem to be in a similar predicament and have strong home market competition from Samsung especially.