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In my opinion if you can write glue code between major services, you're hot stuff.

by logicallee 7y ago

crimsonalucard 7y ago
I disagree, the fact that you can go to a bootcamp to learn this shows that you're not.
- logicallee 7y ago
  Isn't an alternative explanation that bootcamp actually makes a person hot stuff, despite not teaching much? For example maybe if you went to bootcamp, you (crimsonalucard) would be hot stuff when you came out (even if you've been programming for 20 years), due to exposure to all the external services you'll be able to glue together. The fact that your glue code will have runtime O(1) (a single call) instead of O(n^n), but only for up to 4, as the poor kids do something like have four different if statements for 1 to 4, and each one is a nested for loop, and over 4 it silently does nothing, is less relevant than the exposure to the API's at all. In other words, maybe terrible programmers can be hot stuff writing the latest glue code - even if it's brittle and barely works. With all the services huge companies are exposing, this wouldn't surprise me.
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    You're just redefining what being "hot stuff" is. Under that definition, anyone on the face of the earth can be "hot stuff." You don't even need to go to bootcamp. Just read some online tutorials, make a website. Done. You're just calling the average person "hot stuff." In my opinion, you're only hot when you know how to do something that is rare, very hard to learn and in demand.
    - logicallee 7y ago
      I see a difference between a web site and a web site that exposes a service that on the backend connects API's of two different companies that do the heavy lifting.
      - crimsonalucard 7y ago
        There is a difference. But the difference is trivial. Making a backend or a frontend that connects to N amount of API's isn't impressive at all. Any fool can learn this concept. In fact that's all a modern website is. The old way involved servers rendering pages. Now The frontend interfaces with an API. Efficiency at the cost of complexity. You want to know what's impressive? Writing a compiler. Writing an OS. Nothing is simpler than interfacing with an API. If writing glue code is your job and you're getting paid a lot of money to do this stuff then count your lucky stars because truly anyone can do that job.
astura 7y ago
One of the easiest assignments I ever had was to write code between two services. It was easy as hell but it looked impressive because both services did impressive and complicated things. In fact, I think it helped me get my current job.
- logicallee 7y ago
  Or maybe it is impressive. If I'm working on a blind, handicapped user's interface and someone figures out how to connect OK Google's speech recognition in a few lines of code, and it's legit and allowed by their terms, it's still impressive. Who cares if you don't know the first thing about speech recognition?
  - crimsonalucard 7y ago
    It's not impressive. The problem is, no one yet realizes that any person who can learn algebra can achieve this level of skill in less time then it took to pick up algebra. That's what I mean by "you can learn it at a bootcamp." You can hire a random homeless person off the street and in a couple months have him be a competent junior programmer. I'd be willing to pay minimum wage for that level of skill and like you said, that's probably all I need for "glue code." What's going on right now is a bubble. People perceive these skills to be "hot stuff" when in fact it is just "average" or even "below average" When the bubble bursts all programmer wages will go down after everyone realizes that programming is a skill akin to driving or algebra. Anyone can do this trivial work.
    - logicallee 7y ago
      First of all, please don't use "random homeless person off the street" this way. It's insulting and also many homeless people are highly intelligent. Try "random walmart shopper" (a box store that everyone visits.) or just random person. As for your claim that a random person can learn to write glue code, well, we're going to disagree.
      - crimsonalucard 7y ago

In my opinion if you can write glue code between major services, you're hot stuff.

crimsonalucard 7y ago

I disagree, the fact that you can go to a bootcamp to learn this shows that you're not.

logicallee 7y ago
Isn't an alternative explanation that bootcamp actually makes a person hot stuff, despite not teaching much? For example maybe if you went to bootcamp, you (crimsonalucard) would be hot stuff when you came out (even if you've been programming for 20 years), due to exposure to all the external services you'll be able to glue together. The fact that your glue code will have runtime O(1) (a single call) instead of O(n^n), but only for up to 4, as the poor kids do something like have four different if statements for 1 to 4, and each one is a nested for loop, and over 4 it silently does nothing, is less relevant than the exposure to the API's at all. In other words, maybe terrible programmers can be hot stuff writing the latest glue code - even if it's brittle and barely works. With all the services huge companies are exposing, this wouldn't surprise me.
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  You're just redefining what being "hot stuff" is. Under that definition, anyone on the face of the earth can be "hot stuff." You don't even need to go to bootcamp. Just read some online tutorials, make a website. Done. You're just calling the average person "hot stuff." In my opinion, you're only hot when you know how to do something that is rare, very hard to learn and in demand.
  - logicallee 7y ago
    I see a difference between a web site and a web site that exposes a service that on the backend connects API's of two different companies that do the heavy lifting.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago
      There is a difference. But the difference is trivial. Making a backend or a frontend that connects to N amount of API's isn't impressive at all. Any fool can learn this concept. In fact that's all a modern website is. The old way involved servers rendering pages. Now The frontend interfaces with an API. Efficiency at the cost of complexity. You want to know what's impressive? Writing a compiler. Writing an OS. Nothing is simpler than interfacing with an API. If writing glue code is your job and you're getting paid a lot of money to do this stuff then count your lucky stars because truly anyone can do that job.

astura 7y ago

One of the easiest assignments I ever had was to write code between two services. It was easy as hell but it looked impressive because both services did impressive and complicated things. In fact, I think it helped me get my current job.

logicallee 7y ago
Or maybe it is impressive. If I'm working on a blind, handicapped user's interface and someone figures out how to connect OK Google's speech recognition in a few lines of code, and it's legit and allowed by their terms, it's still impressive. Who cares if you don't know the first thing about speech recognition?
- crimsonalucard 7y ago
  It's not impressive. The problem is, no one yet realizes that any person who can learn algebra can achieve this level of skill in less time then it took to pick up algebra. That's what I mean by "you can learn it at a bootcamp." You can hire a random homeless person off the street and in a couple months have him be a competent junior programmer. I'd be willing to pay minimum wage for that level of skill and like you said, that's probably all I need for "glue code." What's going on right now is a bubble. People perceive these skills to be "hot stuff" when in fact it is just "average" or even "below average" When the bubble bursts all programmer wages will go down after everyone realizes that programming is a skill akin to driving or algebra. Anyone can do this trivial work.
  - logicallee 7y ago
    First of all, please don't use "random homeless person off the street" this way. It's insulting and also many homeless people are highly intelligent. Try "random walmart shopper" (a box store that everyone visits.) or just random person. As for your claim that a random person can learn to write glue code, well, we're going to disagree.
    - crimsonalucard 7y ago