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If anyone wants a truly dumb modern 4K TV, without going through weird hoops to get one, I would recommend the Dell C5519Q [1]. You can get it for under 1K USD

If anyone wants a truly dumb modern 4K TV, without going through weird hoops to get one, I would recommend the Dell C5519Q [1]. You can get it for under 1K USD at CDW. [1] https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-55-4k-conference-room-monitor-c5519q/apd/210-arev/monitors-monitor-accessories https://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/dell-55-4k-conference-room-m...

electrograv 7y ago
Sorry to say, but looking at these specs and price, this is not even in the same ballpark as the image quality offered by modern flagship TVs — which you will get (and should expect in 2020) in this price and size range, and also have the ability to be used as non-smart TVs for the privacy-conscious[1]. For the same price, you can buy the latest brand new 55” OLED TV from LG, which has absolutely spectacular picture quality in every respect (including fantastic color calibration capabilities), raw pixel response times better than any “PC gaming monitor”, and even input lag (overall end-to-end latency) rivaling or beating many gaming monitors today[2]. Nothing else even comes close, aside from Sony models (also in this price range) which also use LG’s OLED panels. So rather than hacking your Samsung or buying an inferior Dell monitor meant for PowerPoint presentations, a far better solution is to just stop buying Samsung TVs. In addition to their deceptive marketing and other issues like intentionally bad (over saturated) color calibration out of box, they are designed to be impossible to correctly calibrate due to always-on tone mapping. They do this because they think it makes their TVs look better, and they’re fighting a losing battle against OLED TVs which Samsung does not have any answer to at the moment[3]. Tone mapping that cannot be turned off is a cheap software trick that compromises the accuracy of the source material in hopes of making their TVs have a higher contrast appearance than their hardware is actually capable of (but it does cause artifacts and other downsides, even in regular streaming content). [1] If you’re really concerned about privacy, LG’s TVs allow you to decline all the terms of service and still use them as “old fashioned TVs” with just the non-smart inputs like HDMI. I’ve tested this on my new LG C9, and it works great. [2] Objective measurements of the LG C9 OLED series: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled [3] Samsung (and everyone else) is way behind LG’s OLED tech, until they manage to get micro-LED technology to scale up and reach affordable prices. Micro-LED will be superior even to OLED, but right now it is not a production reality, and exists only as multimillion dollar display tech demo prototypes. One other possible alternate to OLED is dual layer LCD, but I don’t think anyone is seriously pursuing that for consumer TV use due to their power and heat issues.
- rowanG077 7y ago
  I'm sorry but the LG TV you linked doesn't even come close to gaming monitors input lag. The link you posted measured 13ms while good gaming monitors have input lag of a about a millisecond [1]. That is an order of magnitude better. [1] https://turbofuture.com/computers/Top-Gaming-Monitor https://turbofuture.com/computers/Top-Gaming-Monitor
  - electrograv 7y ago
    The article you linked is in error — plain and simple. The top budget pick, for example, is claimed to have 0.7ms input lag and 1.0ms gray to gray response time, which is obviously wrong — how can total input lag possibly be less than the time it takes for pixels to physically change state? So I looked the model up on rtings (who does their own objective measurements — a much more reputable source than some random blog post / sponsored link ad) and their tests show it’s not much different from the LG C9: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/vg248qe https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/vg248qe At best, the Asus VG248QE achieves 5.1ms input lag, with 2.1ms 80% transition response time. At the same resolution (1440p) but lower refresh rate (120hz vs 144hz) the LG C9 achieves 6.6ms input lag, with 0.2ms 80% transition response time. The LG input lag time you quoted is when running 4K at 60hz, which is a fantastic input lag for that mode, and as far as I know about as good as any 4K gaming monitor out there. The C9 is actually capable of variable refresh rate though at 4K via HDMI 2.1 as well, but no current video cards or drivers are yet capable of this — but when they are, the expectation is that the LG C9 will be a serious contender vs even many dedicated gaming monitors. Be very careful when comparing specs between different sources, combining different measurement methods, or comparing input lag numbers when the displays are configured at different refresh rates and screen resolutions.

electrograv 7y ago

Sorry to say, but looking at these specs and price, this is not even in the same ballpark as the image quality offered by modern flagship TVs — which you will get (and should expect in 2020) in this price and size range, and also have the ability to be used as non-smart TVs for the privacy-conscious[1]. For the same price, you can buy the latest brand new 55” OLED TV from LG, which has absolutely spectacular picture quality in every respect (including fantastic color calibration capabilities), raw pixel response times better than any “PC gaming monitor”, and even input lag (overall end-to-end latency) rivaling or beating many gaming monitors today[2]. Nothing else even comes close, aside from Sony models (also in this price range) which also use LG’s OLED panels. So rather than hacking your Samsung or buying an inferior Dell monitor meant for PowerPoint presentations, a far better solution is to just stop buying Samsung TVs. In addition to their deceptive marketing and other issues like intentionally bad (over saturated) color calibration out of box, they are designed to be impossible to correctly calibrate due to always-on tone mapping. They do this because they think it makes their TVs look better, and they’re fighting a losing battle against OLED TVs which Samsung does not have any answer to at the moment[3]. Tone mapping that cannot be turned off is a cheap software trick that compromises the accuracy of the source material in hopes of making their TVs have a higher contrast appearance than their hardware is actually capable of (but it does cause artifacts and other downsides, even in regular streaming content). [1] If you’re really concerned about privacy, LG’s TVs allow you to decline all the terms of service and still use them as “old fashioned TVs” with just the non-smart inputs like HDMI. I’ve tested this on my new LG C9, and it works great. [2] Objective measurements of the LG C9 OLED series: https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/lg/c9-oled [3] Samsung (and everyone else) is way behind LG’s OLED tech, until they manage to get micro-LED technology to scale up and reach affordable prices. Micro-LED will be superior even to OLED, but right now it is not a production reality, and exists only as multimillion dollar display tech demo prototypes. One other possible alternate to OLED is dual layer LCD, but I don’t think anyone is seriously pursuing that for consumer TV use due to their power and heat issues.

rowanG077 7y ago
I'm sorry but the LG TV you linked doesn't even come close to gaming monitors input lag. The link you posted measured 13ms while good gaming monitors have input lag of a about a millisecond [1]. That is an order of magnitude better. [1] https://turbofuture.com/computers/Top-Gaming-Monitor https://turbofuture.com/computers/Top-Gaming-Monitor
- electrograv 7y ago
  The article you linked is in error — plain and simple. The top budget pick, for example, is claimed to have 0.7ms input lag and 1.0ms gray to gray response time, which is obviously wrong — how can total input lag possibly be less than the time it takes for pixels to physically change state? So I looked the model up on rtings (who does their own objective measurements — a much more reputable source than some random blog post / sponsored link ad) and their tests show it’s not much different from the LG C9: https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/vg248qe https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/asus/vg248qe At best, the Asus VG248QE achieves 5.1ms input lag, with 2.1ms 80% transition response time. At the same resolution (1440p) but lower refresh rate (120hz vs 144hz) the LG C9 achieves 6.6ms input lag, with 0.2ms 80% transition response time. The LG input lag time you quoted is when running 4K at 60hz, which is a fantastic input lag for that mode, and as far as I know about as good as any 4K gaming monitor out there. The C9 is actually capable of variable refresh rate though at 4K via HDMI 2.1 as well, but no current video cards or drivers are yet capable of this — but when they are, the expectation is that the LG C9 will be a serious contender vs even many dedicated gaming monitors. Be very careful when comparing specs between different sources, combining different measurement methods, or comparing input lag numbers when the displays are configured at different refresh rates and screen resolutions.