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He definitely states for each of his points that the people working on decentralized systems are misguided because decentralization doesn't automatically solve
by saurik 7y ago
He definitely states for each of his points that the people working on decentralized systems are misguided because decentralization doesn't automatically solve these hard problems; and while his thesis is what you state--that solving these problems is easier as a centralized system because you are more agile--other than a few awkward straw positions (many of which I addressed, and which aren't even really arguments but just anthropic assertions based on misstatements of history) he doesn't really have much to say on the idea that decentralization makes the problem harder. Hell: I'll admit he could have... I have myself given talks about issues with federated systems (vs. "truly distributed systems", which I think are very different than federated systems) and the pain of trying to deal with things like metadata privacy (something the people behind Matrix actually admit in some of their internal talks), but all of his positions here (with again, exceptions where he just ignores transport privacy or goes down rabbit holes of false tangents about phone numbers) really came down to a repetitive phrasing like "decentralized systems are not inherently encrypted, in fact most decentralized systems are not inherently encrypted by default; there's nothing about decentralization that makes things encrypted, you know?" (exact quote) that are later followed with a couple unrelated points and then a restatement of the (incorrectly argued) thesis that decentralized systems can't change and centralized systems are the only way to get new technology. It is like claiming "decentralized currencies don't automatically cause privacy or anonymity, and in fact the vast majority of cryptocurrencies provide more public records than your existing bank" while just flat out ignoring that things like Zcash not only could exist but in fact already exist.
- Arathorn 7y ago> (something the people behind Matrix actually admit in some of their internal talks) Actually, we've been quite clear publicly that Matrix's initial incarnation didn't try to deal with metadata privacy, e.g. this presentation taken from a 2015 talk at the Jardin Entropique cryptography conference in Rennes: https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%20Interop%20and%20Privacy.pdf https://matrix.org/~matthew/2016-12-22%20Matrix%20Balancing%... The fun thing is these days we've got to the point of building out metadata-preserving federation transports in Matrix (I just spent the Christmas break working on the stuff outlined in https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/dip_p2p_matrix/ https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/dip_p2p_matrix/). It feels like we (as Matrix) should do a formal response to moxie's "ecosystem is moving" stuff at some point, not least because the original blog post was written in response to me mailing him to consider linking Signal into Matrix :/
- glogla 7y ago> It feels like we (as Matrix) should do a formal response to moxie's "ecosystem is moving" stuff at some point, not least because the original blog post was written in response to me mailing him to consider linking Signal into Matrix :/ Moxie doesn't want to share, does he?
- dvdgsng 7y ago> It feels like we (as Matrix) should do a formal response please do!
- Arathorn 7y agohttps://matrix.org/blog/2020/02/01/on-privacy-versus-freedom/ https://matrix.org/blog/2020/02/01/on-privacy-versus-freedom...