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CNN and TYT are both partisan left. They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. That's fine, they're allowed to do that. This j

CNN and TYT are both partisan left. They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. That's fine, they're allowed to do that. This just shows their political bias. The same way Fox was airing pro-Trump things at the same time. This isn't a dispute over whether they are right, just over what type of content they publish. I see no problem putting CNN and TYT on the same side of the political spectrum. EDIT: Downvotes? Give me a counter example that shows how TYT or CNN is not left-leaning.

war1025 7y ago
I've found the downvotes tend to come from those who believe "reality leans left." I.e. there is no "left" content, because that content is just the truth. And any "right" content should in their view be properly labeled as "wrong" content.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  Individual HNers should lack visibility into who is downvoting them. How did you de-anonymize the downvote signal?
- LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
  The problem on HN is that some left/right fanatics have automated downvoting. If you antagonize somebody they will set there voting bots on you, to downvote your entire comment history. Until you are dead.
ceejayoz 7y ago
> They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. So did the National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/donald-trump-conserva...), but they're hardly left. Same for George Will (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-spiraling-president-adds-self-impeachment-to-his-repertoire/2019/10/10/8c1a739c-eb7c-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-spiraling-presid...). Again, hardly left.
- jakeogh 7y ago
  George Will and the National Review crew are neo-cons. AKA not-Conservatives. Straussians. They are the fake "right" of the modern pro-global government party. Watching people aruge over what's "left" and "right" is surreal. The real differences (if one wants to find them) are sovereignty of nation states vs a permenant ruling class that sets quazi-global policy. To anyone who thinks they are "left": Consider watching the current presidents UN speeches.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    > Consider watching the current presidents UN speeches. I can't. They're a nonsensical standard of English full of insultingly untrue things. > sovereignty of nation states vs a permenant ruling class These two things are not in conflict; historically most nation states have a fairly fixed ruling class. There was a paper a while ago showing how many of the ruling families of 14th century Venice were still in significant positions politically or economically.
    - jakeogh 7y ago
      "untrue things" What second hand info were you given? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp71VWgqURQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp71VWgqURQ The commoners are aware of the various power centers. The conflict you pretend does not exist happens when that status is challenged. From the perspective of power, it should not be possible; hence their PR firms (FOX/CNN/xNBC/NYT etc) losing control of the "pick A or B" directive. You stepped over the mention of the quazi-global policy. The narrative is that does not exist, or you are a "insert negative words" if you talk about it. The concentration of power is in conflict with the idea of a soverign nation state. Modern language engineering, like the constant attempts to asscoiate liking one's country with ethnic supremicy (kinda hard with the US:) is one rather transparent technique used to attempt to shape how people think about it. 73rd UN Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6XXNWC5Koc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6XXNWC5Koc 74th UN Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzufjsnCa7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzufjsnCa7Y
  - ceejayoz 7y ago
soulofmischief 7y ago
I'm not partisan left and I shared content showing extreme dismay at the imbecile running my country, too.
iudqnolq 7y ago
> Downvotes? Give me a counter example that shows how TYT or CNN is not left-leaning. Maybe downvotes are because you claim your parent claims CNN isn't left-leaning, whereas what they said was that CNN isn't "partisan left" in the same way that TYT is. You also don't address their main evidence for their claim, that they frequently attack each other. I have no idea if you're right, because I haven't looked into the issues in enough depth. Your attack of a strawman is, however, completely unconvincing to me.
- Thorentis 7y ago
  CNN is very pro-democrat, as clearly shown in all their election coverage. This makes them partisan left. From what I've seen, CNN tends to support the favoured democrat candidate/front-runner, and TYT lean further left and often show support for somebody like Sanders, but show general support across the board. > You also don't address their main evidence What main evidence? Their main programming? The main programming of both is left leaning, and when it comes to discussing elections and US politics, is incredibly partisan.
  - thinkingemote 7y ago
    To most Europeans the US Democrats are center / right wing. There are no major left wing political parties in the US and no major left wing media outlets.
    - chrisco255 7y ago
      The left-right paradigm is obviously limited in its scope for explaining the nuanced differences between parties and political movements and especially across international and cultural boundaries.
      - icebraining 7y ago
        Still, there's a marked difference between CNN and Jacobin.
  - 7y ago
chillwaves 7y ago
The dismay of a Trump presidency is just reality.
Brakenshire 7y ago
> CNN and TYT are both partisan left. They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. That's fine, they're allowed to do that. This just shows their political bias. ‘Extreme’ disapproval of Trump is an exclusively left wing position? Clearly that is not the case.

war1025 7y ago

I've found the downvotes tend to come from those who believe "reality leans left." I.e. there is no "left" content, because that content is just the truth. And any "right" content should in their view be properly labeled as "wrong" content.

shadowgovt 7y ago
Individual HNers should lack visibility into who is downvoting them. How did you de-anonymize the downvote signal?
LifeLiverTransp 7y ago
The problem on HN is that some left/right fanatics have automated downvoting. If you antagonize somebody they will set there voting bots on you, to downvote your entire comment history. Until you are dead.

ceejayoz 7y ago

> They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. So did the National Review (https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/donald-trump-conservatives-oppose-nomination/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/01/donald-trump-conserva...), but they're hardly left. Same for George Will (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-spiraling-president-adds-self-impeachment-to-his-repertoire/2019/10/10/8c1a739c-eb7c-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-spiraling-presid...). Again, hardly left.

jakeogh 7y ago
George Will and the National Review crew are neo-cons. AKA not-Conservatives. Straussians. They are the fake "right" of the modern pro-global government party. Watching people aruge over what's "left" and "right" is surreal. The real differences (if one wants to find them) are sovereignty of nation states vs a permenant ruling class that sets quazi-global policy. To anyone who thinks they are "left": Consider watching the current presidents UN speeches.
- pjc50 7y ago
  > Consider watching the current presidents UN speeches. I can't. They're a nonsensical standard of English full of insultingly untrue things. > sovereignty of nation states vs a permenant ruling class These two things are not in conflict; historically most nation states have a fairly fixed ruling class. There was a paper a while ago showing how many of the ruling families of 14th century Venice were still in significant positions politically or economically.
  - jakeogh 7y ago
    "untrue things" What second hand info were you given? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp71VWgqURQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jp71VWgqURQ The commoners are aware of the various power centers. The conflict you pretend does not exist happens when that status is challenged. From the perspective of power, it should not be possible; hence their PR firms (FOX/CNN/xNBC/NYT etc) losing control of the "pick A or B" directive. You stepped over the mention of the quazi-global policy. The narrative is that does not exist, or you are a "insert negative words" if you talk about it. The concentration of power is in conflict with the idea of a soverign nation state. Modern language engineering, like the constant attempts to asscoiate liking one's country with ethnic supremicy (kinda hard with the US:) is one rather transparent technique used to attempt to shape how people think about it. 73rd UN Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6XXNWC5Koc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6XXNWC5Koc 74th UN Session: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzufjsnCa7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzufjsnCa7Y
- ceejayoz 7y ago

soulofmischief 7y ago

I'm not partisan left and I shared content showing extreme dismay at the imbecile running my country, too.

iudqnolq 7y ago

> Downvotes? Give me a counter example that shows how TYT or CNN is not left-leaning. Maybe downvotes are because you claim your parent claims CNN isn't left-leaning, whereas what they said was that CNN isn't "partisan left" in the same way that TYT is. You also don't address their main evidence for their claim, that they frequently attack each other. I have no idea if you're right, because I haven't looked into the issues in enough depth. Your attack of a strawman is, however, completely unconvincing to me.

Thorentis 7y ago
CNN is very pro-democrat, as clearly shown in all their election coverage. This makes them partisan left. From what I've seen, CNN tends to support the favoured democrat candidate/front-runner, and TYT lean further left and often show support for somebody like Sanders, but show general support across the board. > You also don't address their main evidence What main evidence? Their main programming? The main programming of both is left leaning, and when it comes to discussing elections and US politics, is incredibly partisan.
- thinkingemote 7y ago
  To most Europeans the US Democrats are center / right wing. There are no major left wing political parties in the US and no major left wing media outlets.
  - chrisco255 7y ago
    The left-right paradigm is obviously limited in its scope for explaining the nuanced differences between parties and political movements and especially across international and cultural boundaries.
    - icebraining 7y ago
      Still, there's a marked difference between CNN and Jacobin.
- 7y ago

chillwaves 7y ago

The dismay of a Trump presidency is just reality.

Brakenshire 7y ago

> CNN and TYT are both partisan left. They both published content showing extreme dismay at the election of Trump. That's fine, they're allowed to do that. This just shows their political bias. ‘Extreme’ disapproval of Trump is an exclusively left wing position? Clearly that is not the case.