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> Humans don’t even like the random battle results to be truly random but expect them to hew very closely to the outcome of the odds as presented. Because of t

> Humans don’t even like the random battle results to be truly random but expect them to hew very closely to the outcome of the odds as presented. Because of this Civ2 added health and firepower stats to units, random battles sometimes meant an ancient trireme could destroy a battleship, which is fun to imagine...

thaumasiotes 7y ago
The classic example is a militia (the weakest unit in the game, relying on no technology at all) defeating a battleship bombarding it from the sea, causing the battleship to sink. :D
- inetknght 7y ago
  Warrior, actually. But yes. Militia required gunpowder.
  - thaumasiotes 7y ago
    This is not correct; the weakest unit in Civilization is the militia, and the unit you get from gunpowder is the musketeer. There is no unit called "warrior". How do I know we're talking about Civilization? > Because of this Civ2 added health and firepower stats to units I think it's unlikely Civ II added stats in response to feedback from Civ III.
    - inetknght 7y ago
      You're right about musketeers. https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeers_(Civ2) https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeers_(Civ2) I was thinking of Partisans which spawn when a city is captured, https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Partisans_(Civ2); https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Partisans_(Civ2); I think of militia when I think of Partisans. However, the weakest unit in Civ 2 is definitely the Warrior: https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Warriors_(Civ2) https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Warriors_(Civ2)
      - thaumasiotes 7y ago
        And the weakest unit in Civilization is the Militia. As I just said, there is no Warrior. In the same way that Civ II cannot have made changes in response to Civ III, it also can't have made changes in response to itself.
  - rangibaby 7y ago
    Civ1 Militia == Civ2 Warrior Warriors should never be able to defeat a battleship in Civ2 because of the new combat system. The AI cheats (of course); I have had armor go down to knights on deity level

thaumasiotes 7y ago

The classic example is a militia (the weakest unit in the game, relying on no technology at all) defeating a battleship bombarding it from the sea, causing the battleship to sink. :D

inetknght 7y ago
Warrior, actually. But yes. Militia required gunpowder.
- thaumasiotes 7y ago
  This is not correct; the weakest unit in Civilization is the militia, and the unit you get from gunpowder is the musketeer. There is no unit called "warrior". How do I know we're talking about Civilization? > Because of this Civ2 added health and firepower stats to units I think it's unlikely Civ II added stats in response to feedback from Civ III.
  - inetknght 7y ago
    You're right about musketeers. https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeers_(Civ2) https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Musketeers_(Civ2) I was thinking of Partisans which spawn when a city is captured, https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Partisans_(Civ2); https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Partisans_(Civ2); I think of militia when I think of Partisans. However, the weakest unit in Civ 2 is definitely the Warrior: https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Warriors_(Civ2) https://civilization.fandom.com/wiki/Warriors_(Civ2)
    - thaumasiotes 7y ago
      And the weakest unit in Civilization is the Militia. As I just said, there is no Warrior. In the same way that Civ II cannot have made changes in response to Civ III, it also can't have made changes in response to itself.
- rangibaby 7y ago
  Civ1 Militia == Civ2 Warrior Warriors should never be able to defeat a battleship in Civ2 because of the new combat system. The AI cheats (of course); I have had armor go down to knights on deity level