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Honestly because this person is incorrect in their supposition that Krita competes with Photoshop. Gimp competes with Photoshop (extremely poorly), Krita is OSS

Honestly because this person is incorrect in their supposition that Krita competes with Photoshop. Gimp competes with Photoshop (extremely poorly), Krita is OSS Corel Painter and it's great at that. They're all image editing tools sure, but the focus is different.

hellozee 7y ago
I never said Krita is competing with Photoshop, I just compared them, take a look at the last rant :D
- Aqueous 7y ago
  ok but when the title of the article is “linux doesn’t have photoshop” and the article is set up to be an answer to that belief you can understand how some people might be confused
  - hellozee 7y ago
    I tried to make it as less click baity as I could, but can't resist, :P
grawprog 7y ago
Just curious, because i've never really understood, I see this a lot without much explanation. I've used gimp for years for various image and photo things and haven't used Photoshop since the mid 2000's, what's so bad about gimp in comparison, other than the ui(which to me seems much the same as old versions of photoshop), to Photoshop?
- hellozee 7y ago
  No non destructive editing available is one of the biggest drawbacks
  - imglorp 7y ago
    Isn't that what layers are for?
    - hellozee 7y ago
      Take an example you scaled down and 1000x1000px image to 100x100px and then scaled it up back to 1000x1000px. In the process you lost a lot of info on the image. PS solves that by using Smart Objects, Krita by Transform Masks, GIMP? Nope
      - cannedslime 7y ago
        To be fair, photoshop didnt always do this. I still use CS2 and it definetely doesn't work like you describe. I'd say that GIMP is somewhat comparable to the feature set of CS2, though I admit I havent used gimp much.
        hellozee 7y ago
        Smart Objects were introduced in CS2, so no, :)
        cannedslime 7y ago
        Ah you are right. It gives the illusion of quality loss until you commit the change, and then it looks crisp again.
      - thedaemon 7y ago
        Obviously you should loose all of your details. You shouldn't be doing this at any rate.
  - washadjeffmad 7y ago
    Does the history or duplicating the working/background layer not cover that?
- errantspark 7y ago
  I haven't seriously taken a look at gimp in ages if I'm honest, but iirc it still doesn't have adjustment layers or support for more than 8bpp or color spaces other than RGB. The UI being awful is a major point against too, as is the poor performance. I'm sure there are use-cases where gimp is equivalent to Photoshop. I primarily use Photoshop in 16bit Lab color, so just off that it's a no-go.
- akersten 7y ago
  Personal and strongly-held opinion follows: The biggest drawback of GIMP is that it is the least intuitive software I or anyone I've asked in person has ever used. Basic operations like making selections, cropping, and moving selections or layers are a chore. The keyboard shortcuts don't make any sense, and the tool icons all look the same, so I wind up hovering over each one to find the dang crop tool in the first place. Oh, it's the one that looks like an X-acto knife instead of the universal brackets icon for crop. The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered. The whole thing feels like a mess coming from Photoshop. Paint .NET has far and away better usability. Sure, you can accomplish the same things, eventually, and I guess that makes them both capable image editors. But using GIMP feels like I'm interacting with a machination of Dr. Seuss if he had to draw a Whoville contraption that edited photos.
  - therein 7y ago
    Yup, this summarizes exactly my gripe with GIMP. As you said, Paint.NET has far better usability despite GIMP actually having more features. The icons really need an overhaul with GIMP, that hovering over each icon to see if it is the crop tool, and lack of Control+T struck all too close to home.
  - Izkata 7y ago
    > The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered. I don't know what ctrl+T is (there may be some nuance I'm missing), but in Gimp the corner resize handles are always visible in a selection, the side handles appear on mouseover, and moving a selection is click+drag in the center.
    - akersten 7y ago
      Control+T is the shortcut in Photoshop for Free Transform, which turns your selected region into a click+drag target for translating; the corners and edges become resize handles for the selected content; outside of the corners becomes a rotate click target. There's also now a context menu for more advanced transformations like Skew, Perspective, etc. It's pretty much an all-in-one toolbox of most anything you'd want to do with a selection, and I could never find a good equivalent of that in GIMP. Regarding the handles in GIMP - last I tried them, they resized the selection region, rather than the underlying image, which was immensely frustrating.
- iudqnolq 7y ago
  Gimp has most of the "magic" tools Photoshop has, but their algorithms perform inferiorly. For example, "automatically snap this selection to the outline of this thing in the image" (magnetic lasso tool).
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  Use Gimp's circle tool to create a circle. Create a new layer. Now, try and chance the dimensions of the circle itself rather than upscaling (and pixellating) it. As far as I know, this is not possible in Gimp, but it's expected in Photoshop.

hellozee 7y ago

I never said Krita is competing with Photoshop, I just compared them, take a look at the last rant :D

Aqueous 7y ago
ok but when the title of the article is “linux doesn’t have photoshop” and the article is set up to be an answer to that belief you can understand how some people might be confused
- hellozee 7y ago
  I tried to make it as less click baity as I could, but can't resist, :P

grawprog 7y ago

Just curious, because i've never really understood, I see this a lot without much explanation. I've used gimp for years for various image and photo things and haven't used Photoshop since the mid 2000's, what's so bad about gimp in comparison, other than the ui(which to me seems much the same as old versions of photoshop), to Photoshop?

hellozee 7y ago
No non destructive editing available is one of the biggest drawbacks
- imglorp 7y ago
  Isn't that what layers are for?
  - hellozee 7y ago
    Take an example you scaled down and 1000x1000px image to 100x100px and then scaled it up back to 1000x1000px. In the process you lost a lot of info on the image. PS solves that by using Smart Objects, Krita by Transform Masks, GIMP? Nope
    - cannedslime 7y ago
      To be fair, photoshop didnt always do this. I still use CS2 and it definetely doesn't work like you describe. I'd say that GIMP is somewhat comparable to the feature set of CS2, though I admit I havent used gimp much.
      - hellozee 7y ago
        Smart Objects were introduced in CS2, so no, :)
        cannedslime 7y ago
        Ah you are right. It gives the illusion of quality loss until you commit the change, and then it looks crisp again.
    - thedaemon 7y ago
      Obviously you should loose all of your details. You shouldn't be doing this at any rate.
- washadjeffmad 7y ago
  Does the history or duplicating the working/background layer not cover that?
errantspark 7y ago
I haven't seriously taken a look at gimp in ages if I'm honest, but iirc it still doesn't have adjustment layers or support for more than 8bpp or color spaces other than RGB. The UI being awful is a major point against too, as is the poor performance. I'm sure there are use-cases where gimp is equivalent to Photoshop. I primarily use Photoshop in 16bit Lab color, so just off that it's a no-go.
akersten 7y ago
Personal and strongly-held opinion follows: The biggest drawback of GIMP is that it is the least intuitive software I or anyone I've asked in person has ever used. Basic operations like making selections, cropping, and moving selections or layers are a chore. The keyboard shortcuts don't make any sense, and the tool icons all look the same, so I wind up hovering over each one to find the dang crop tool in the first place. Oh, it's the one that looks like an X-acto knife instead of the universal brackets icon for crop. The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered. The whole thing feels like a mess coming from Photoshop. Paint .NET has far and away better usability. Sure, you can accomplish the same things, eventually, and I guess that makes them both capable image editors. But using GIMP feels like I'm interacting with a machination of Dr. Seuss if he had to draw a Whoville contraption that edited photos.
- therein 7y ago
  Yup, this summarizes exactly my gripe with GIMP. As you said, Paint.NET has far better usability despite GIMP actually having more features. The icons really need an overhaul with GIMP, that hovering over each icon to see if it is the crop tool, and lack of Control+T struck all too close to home.
- Izkata 7y ago
  > The selection tool is just weird. You can highlight a region of the image, but to manipulate or transform it, there's no "Control+T" equivalent as far as I've discovered. I don't know what ctrl+T is (there may be some nuance I'm missing), but in Gimp the corner resize handles are always visible in a selection, the side handles appear on mouseover, and moving a selection is click+drag in the center.
  - akersten 7y ago
    Control+T is the shortcut in Photoshop for Free Transform, which turns your selected region into a click+drag target for translating; the corners and edges become resize handles for the selected content; outside of the corners becomes a rotate click target. There's also now a context menu for more advanced transformations like Skew, Perspective, etc. It's pretty much an all-in-one toolbox of most anything you'd want to do with a selection, and I could never find a good equivalent of that in GIMP. Regarding the handles in GIMP - last I tried them, they resized the selection region, rather than the underlying image, which was immensely frustrating.
iudqnolq 7y ago
Gimp has most of the "magic" tools Photoshop has, but their algorithms perform inferiorly. For example, "automatically snap this selection to the outline of this thing in the image" (magnetic lasso tool).
claudiawerner 7y ago
Use Gimp's circle tool to create a circle. Create a new layer. Now, try and chance the dimensions of the circle itself rather than upscaling (and pixellating) it. As far as I know, this is not possible in Gimp, but it's expected in Photoshop.