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These days it seems to me that everyone is waging information wars against each other in less than fair ways. Each side cherry-picks information (like research

These days it seems to me that everyone is waging information wars against each other in less than fair ways. Each side cherry-picks information (like research or statistics) in a self-serving manner to drown out opposing views with sheer volume, regardless of whether they are ultimately correct or not. Censorship, deplatforming, fake/incomplete/misleading information, shaming, doxxing/getting people fired, etc. are all employed regularly. When facing such strategies, I don’t think either side can be blamed for using any particular tactic - reaching a point of civil discourse requires mutual/societal de-escalation. In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed. As an example https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/caa-not-anti-muslim-lots-of-misconception-about-it-jitendra-singh-1630444-2019-12-22 https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/caa-not-anti-muslim-lo... > Seeking to allay the "needless fear-psychosis" sought to be created in certain sections of the society, he said the only purpose of the Act is to ensure the wellbeing of the minorities who have been "persecuted on the basis of religion" in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. > "The Citizenship Amendment Act is not anti-Muslim from any angle and the misconceptions and apprehensions surrounding the Act is unfounded and motivated," Singh told reporters here. > The Union Minister of State for PMO said since Muslims are neither in minority in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan nor do they face any persecution because of their religious affiliation in these countries which have Islam as their State religion, they are obviously not included in the Citizenship (Amendment) Act. This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law.

kranner 7y ago
> In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed. What's next has been plainly stated to be implementation of the NRC [1], which in combination with the CAA will result in Muslims who don't have documentation to prove where their parents were born being rendered stateless. A large number of Indians don't have such documentation, but the CAA ensures only Muslims (being excluded from the whitelist of religious identities listed in the CAA) will be affected. It's not clear what would happen to them: detention centres seem a distinct possibility as some have been constructed and some are slated to be constructed. The protest are commonly known as the "CAA and NRC" protests, so all this is commonly understood. [2] > This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law. There are minority groups such as the Ahmadis that are widely persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. [3] This law would consider them Muslims and therefore ineligible for admission. The only purpose of the CAA whitelist seems to be to exclude Muslims from becoming Indian citizens. If the law's intent is to help people, it is not reasonable to exclude anyone. If they are excluding people, the law's intention is not what is being claimed. This is why tens of thousands of people are protesting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_prot... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis

kranner 7y ago

> In this case, the complaints against CAA seem overblown, and a lot of it hinges on a slippery slope argument about ”what’s next”, where of course the worst is assumed. What's next has been plainly stated to be implementation of the NRC [1], which in combination with the CAA will result in Muslims who don't have documentation to prove where their parents were born being rendered stateless. A large number of Indians don't have such documentation, but the CAA ensures only Muslims (being excluded from the whitelist of religious identities listed in the CAA) will be affected. It's not clear what would happen to them: detention centres seem a distinct possibility as some have been constructed and some are slated to be constructed. The protest are commonly known as the "CAA and NRC" protests, so all this is commonly understood. [2] > This seems reasonable to me. There’s a pathway for refugees to seek citizenship, based on claims of religious/cultural persecution. Since the majority in these nations are Muslims, it makes sense that they cannot claim persecution under this law. There are minority groups such as the Ahmadis that are widely persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan. [3] This law would consider them Muslims and therefore ineligible for admission. The only purpose of the CAA whitelist seems to be to exclude Muslims from becoming Indian citizens. If the law's intent is to help people, it is not reasonable to exclude anyone. If they are excluding people, the law's intention is not what is being claimed. This is why tens of thousands of people are protesting. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Register_of_Citizens [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_Amendment_Act_prot... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Ahmadis